+1

used Z still wins...

:icon18:

:iagree: but who knows, maybe once it's out and the aftermarket is cheap...:stirthepot:

aftermarket will be cheap because already they have more vendors lined up than the 370z has after 3 years out.

I know this, I am one of them... lol

:confused: what are you making

Carbon fiber butt plug....:ugh2:

Personally, as long as it is under 30K or so for a loaded BRZ limited, I'm fine with it. I'm not going to quibble over 1k or 1.5k.

If it really drives as well as the reviewers are saying, there really is nothing much like it at anywhere near that price point. People will bring up Genesis 2.0T and V6 Mustang and Camaro, but really those are all quite different cars. The "fun" factor is somewhat hard to quantify, but if it is present the car may well be worth much more than they are charging.

Actually I think the BRZ/FRS rear light actually works!

only for you!

I am not buying an 86. :p

26K+ for 200hp. Yeaaa right. Then being limited the dealers will more than likey mark them up.

I think there is more to the value than the HP numbers. The last year the Lotus Elise was available in the states, the NA version had 189 HP but started in the mid 40Ks.

Now the BRZ does weigh 700lbs more than the Elise, but it is also 20K less.

Lotus you also pay for luxury/brand name

I understand your point. But I wouldn't buy either. Best value to benefit is going to be the 370 and EVO.

Agree about the 370 being a great value -- but I already have one of those and I'm not looking for another sedan so the WRX and EVO are out.

That being the case, I'd go for it. I do like the car for what it is. It would be nice to see some boost thrown at it though.

I'm just waiting for my order to come in :ughdance:

so many options coming!! :tup:

For what my opinion is worth:

I went to the Motor Show in Bangkok, Thailand last week to see a few new cars:

-the new 3-series
-new GS350 F-sport
- new 911
- and the Toyota 86.

I sat inside of the 86 and was really blown away. It seems like Toyota has spent years perfecting the driving position, seat, wheel...everything. It just felt perfect sitting inside there.

I didn't get to hear the engine, nor drive the car, but i was really impressed and excited. I think where both companies (Toyota & Subaru) are getting this car right is that it is the right car for this time. Small 4-cylinder engine, light-weight body, reasonable price.

I hope this will be a real treat to drive...

:tup:

I wouldn't get too caught up in the price of the car here in America.

In Thailand the car retails for around $90 Grand (!)

^^ Why so high? Taxes?

The car is brilliant... but... needs more power.

Balance my ***, a sports car needs to handle, brake, AND be able to accelerate quickly.

Waiting for the 30K priced version that will do all of that...

Thanks for the vid MC

:drool: :yum:

I personally haven't driven a BRZ so I have absolutely no idea if it's a better / worse value than "X,Y,Z,.." car "s".

But with that said all the reviews I've read thus far say the BRZ is going to be well worth it. A car doesn't have to run a certain 1/4 mile time and or have "X" HP to be worth it's price.

The BRZ will likely turn out to be just as fun or more so than cars like the S2K, MX-5, RX-8, Porsche Boxster/Cayman, etc. So if this turns out to be the case as the reviews say it is there's no question the BRZ would be a bargain @ 30K and even more.

The BRZ may not be for those looking to void their warranties right off the bat / looking to run a certain 1/4 mile time but that's not who the car was designed for. The BRZ was built to be a great out of the box driver's car NOT a JDM special.

If you love to drive chances are you'll love the BRZ and understand that it's easily worth it. If you're looking to run fast 1/4 mile times you're in the wrong market. It really makes no sense to even comment about what the cars worth if you've never even driven it.

How a car feels / connects with the driver from the wheel is far more important than its mere numbers. The very most important aspects that make an automobile worth it or not CAN NOT be judged by #'s.

Subjective things such as steering feel, feedback and response. Brake feel, feedback and response. Cornering balance, roll, rigidity. Ideal driver ergonomics. Suspension tuning compliance. Durability (Can it run more than 1 lab before over heating, etc).

There's a host of other aspects as well but the point is obvious. Judging a car based solely on its spec sheet stats is ignorant period end of story. 0-60 / 1/4 mile times and so on do NOT tell how much fun and or great a particular car is to drive.

Apparently many people don't seem to grasp this surprisingly.. I was reading another very high praised review about the BRZ earlier..

The reviewer's had a multiple choice answer which stated something like " Do you think the BRZ is worth 26-28?"

The 3 choices included in summary: A) Yes the BRZ is worth it. B) I'm not sure because I haven't driven it. C) No the BRZ is too much because it has just 200hp.

Answer "C" got the most votes which just goes to show the mass ignorance when it comes to cars in this country. It's the reason why truly awesome cars like the Honda S2000 are no longer made.

Manufactures have successfully convinced the masses that "more" is always better. Of course this is obviously not true as anybody who knows anything about cars understands.

I blame it on "marketing" it's not that people are stupid they're just a victim of a terrible marketing campaign. As in terrible for the understanding enthusiast.

All the manufactures really have to do is up the HP in the cars and ppl buy. Somebody in the industry needs to steep in and stop the craziness and educate the consumer. People are clearly lost...

tl;dr


I thought you were serious up until you said "It's the reason why truly awesome cars like the Honda S2000 are no longer made."

s2k's are only awesome because they must have over 100k under the hood...


:stirthepot:

Bustin ma ballz I see...

All in good fun. You have a lot of good points in that. :tiphat:

:excited:

being marked up 5K

Dealers Already Asking $5,000 Over MSRP on 2013 Subaru BRZ


31K for a 200 hp car :shakes head:

I expected this due to the hype of the car + limited production

Side note, is it possible to contact toyota/subaru and order a barebones car straight from factory for much cheaper?

in japan yes in the US no

grr...wish we could though

here it is

http://lh3.ggpht.com/-iJn3Bkz95Fg/Tz...5B3%25255D.jpg


http://lh4.ggpht.com/-4ETpXI8w5RY/Tz...5B3%25255D.jpg


http://lh5.ggpht.com/-YJDDPYlENUM/Tz...5B3%25255D.jpg

http://lh4.ggpht.com/-SiqxXlOxwSw/Tz...5B3%25255D.jpg

Track beast ready. :yum:

It shouldn't really matter for this type of car, but I think it's straight line performance is going to be it's downfall. The RX-8 was a great handling sports car too. Hopefully an STi version can save the day.