Exotics Racing - what would you drive?

Chuck33079 · 02-21-2014, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Z1NONLY

I had clients complaining about power lag in the 430 also.

The issue is the electronic nannies, not the actual power of the car. Unlike the Lambo stability system, the 430 ties available power to steering angle.

More steering = less power. Less steering = more power. Straight = full power...and it's plenty strong.

Even with the wheel straight, there was nothing under 5k. Maybe I'm asking too much from a $200k car (I'm not) but it should push you into the seat better than that. It wasn't "slow", but it sure was slow for a supercar. With the list of options in the poll, the 430 is pretty close to the bottom of the barrel.

Z1NONLY · 02-21-2014, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Even with the wheel straight, there was nothing under 5k. Maybe I'm asking too much from a $200k car (I'm not) but it should push you into the seat better than that. It wasn't "slow", but it sure was slow for a supercar. With the list of options in the poll, the 430 is pretty close to the bottom of the barrel.

RWD vs RWD, the F430 puts down generally the same 0-60 times as the LP550, so the ability to push someone into their seat is right there with the Lambo.

Of course the AWD 560? will be a little quicker from a dead stop to 60 but that's a traction thing rather than power.

The other instructors were split on which car could have made it through PBIR quicker, but I was in the F430 camp. The AWD 560's only had an advantage from a stand still, and the lone 550 was still dragging too much weight to keep up with the F430's. (Although I liked the RWD Lambo more than the AWD examples)

We never actually tested our theories because we didn't want to get booted from the gig. But I would have put a little money on a friendly bet to see which camp was right, if the opportunity had been there.

Chuck33079 · 02-21-2014, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Z1NONLY

RWD vs RWD, the F430 puts down generally the same 0-60 times as the LP550, so the ability to push someone into their seat is right there with the Lambo.

Of course the AWD 560? will be a little quicker from a dead stop to 60 but that's a traction thing rather than power.

The other instructors were split on which car could have made it through PBIR quicker, but I was in the F430 camp. The AWD 560's only had an advantage from a stand still, and the lone 550 was still dragging too much weight to keep up with the F430's. (Although I liked the RWD Lambo more than the AWD examples)

We never actually tested our theories because we didn't want to get booted from the gig. But I would have put a little money on a friendly bet to see which camp was right, if the opportunity had been there.

According to google, 400/290 on a dyno. For $200k+. It's a low 12 second car. They trap 117-120. Stock 2006 Ferrari F430 Spider 1/4 mile trap speeds 0-60 - DragTimes.com 0-60 is a terrible measurement for cars. It's a traction contest. Look at trap speeds.

I get that you like the car, but you have to admit that, given the other options he could drive, the 430 is a dog.

Z1NONLY · 02-21-2014, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

According to google, 400/290 on a dyno. For $200k+. It's a low 12 second car. They trap 117-120. Stock 2006 Ferrari F430 Spider 1/4 mile trap speeds 0-60 - DragTimes.com 0-60 is a terrible measurement for cars. It's a traction contest. Look at trap speeds.

I get that you like the car, but you have to admit that, given the other options he could drive, the 430 is a dog.

I don't just "like the car". I drove it, back to back, with AWD and RWD Lambo's, over and over and over. I have also tracked examples of many of the other cars on the list, many times, and gave my thoughts on them in my first post in this thread.

The F430 is not a dog in either real-world driving, nor bench racing. It's actually rather awesome behind the wheel of those things.

There are a few on the list I have not driven that may be better choices, but I have not driven them, so I don't know. I commented on the cars I have driven and pointed out my lack of experience with the others.

Chuck33079 · 02-21-2014, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Z1NONLY

I don't just "like the car". I drove it, back to back, with AWD and RWD Lambo's, over and over and over. I have also tracked examples of many of the other cars on the list, many times, and gave my thoughts on them in my first post in this thread.

The F430 is not a dog in either real-world driving, nor bench racing. It's actually rather awesome behind the wheel of those things.

There are a few on the list I have not driven that may be better choices, but I have not driven them, so I don't know. I commented on the cars I have driven and pointed out my lack of experience with the others.

Well, maybe I got to drive one that was missing two spark plugs.

You're talking to me like I've never been behind the wheel of one. I don't know how someone manages to look at that list and pick the 430 over the 458.

A 12.2@117 $200k car is a dog. That's not fast.

I'm sure it's a hoot to drive compared to a lot of cars. But if you're looking for a vehicle that you step out of and think "wow", the 430 isn't it. Maybe it was in 2006. But compared to the 458, GTR, McLaren, etc, it just falls short.

Z1NONLY · 02-21-2014, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Well, maybe I got to drive one that was missing two spark plugs.

You're talking to me like I've never been behind the wheel of one. I don't know how someone manages to look at that list and pick the 430 over the 458.

A 12.2@117 $200k car is a dog. That's not fast.

I'm sure it's a hoot to drive compared to a lot of cars. But if you're looking for a vehicle that you step out of and think "wow", the 430 isn't it. Maybe it was in 2006. But compared to the 458, GTR, McLaren, etc, it just falls short.

There is so much more to a car than mashing a gas pedal. (Although the F430's loud pedal works just fine)

The F430 handles better than either the 560 or the 550.

It doesn't feel like your enemy at the limit, like the rear-engine 911's

It doesn't do most of the work for you like a GTR.

It connects you to the road better than any AMG I have driven.

And it doesn't have the e-diff issues the Cayman S has.

I have never driven a 458, or a McLaren

I was choosing it over the other cars I have actually driven and said so in my first post.

Chuck33079 · 02-21-2014, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Z1NONLY

There is so much more to a car than mashing a gas pedal. (Although the F430's loud pedal works just fine)

The F430 handles better than either the 560 or the 550.

It doesn't feel like your enemy at the limit, like the rear-engine 911's

It doesn't do most of the work for you like a GTR.

It connects you to the road better than any AMG I have driven.

And it doesn't have the e-diff issues the Cayman S has.

I have never driven a 458, or a McLaren

I was choosing it over the other cars I have actually driven and said so in my first post.

Yes, I never turned the steering wheel. At all. I just went in a straight line. You're getting caught up on feelings. Look at the numbers. It is a slower car than 2/3 of the list. If you're paying to drive something at an event like this, make it something worth driving. I did not feel the F430 was worth it. You did. That's great. Knowing what I know now, I'd rather have driven the other options. Pretty much any of them. You disagree. Fine.

View Poll Results: Which car would you choose to drive?
Ferrari F430 F1	0	0%
Ferrari 430 Scuderia	1	1.89%
Ferrari 458 Italia	14	26.42%
Lamborghini Gallardo LP550	0	0%
Lamborghini Superleggera LP570	3	5.66%
Lamborghini Aventador LP700	16	30.19%
Porsche 997 Turbo S	3	5.66%
Porsche Cayman S	0	0%
Audi R8 V10	2	3.77%
Aston Martin Vantage S	0	0%
Nissan GTR	3	5.66%
Mercedes SLS AMG	1	1.89%
Mclaren MP4-12C	9	16.98%
Corvette C7 Stingray Z51	1	1.89%
Voters: 53. You may not vote on this poll

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