2014 camaro Z/28

StangerGT · 04-02-2013, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Just because you have a disproportionate amount of Z's in your area doesn't make it not a low volume selling car on a national level.

And with all that said, I agree with the numbers... but just because we are comparing the Z to two models that have a disproportionaty high amount of sales, that doesnt mean the Z per say is a cult car. It just means those two car models sell like hot cakes, and have been around forever. Those cars also have a much wider range of use then the Z. And if we compare the Camaro and Mustang combined, against many cars they would be considered a cult.

I consider a cult following to be of a car that is somewhat rare, maybe sold in low numbers or many have been since destroyed, and is followed because of a hard to find nature, or a quarkyness. The Z does not have these qualities. Its rather inexpensive for the performance offered, I could go buy one right now used or new without even trying to find one. There is a large aftermarket for it.

I think it may have been a cult at the start, but I think it has out grown this.

UNKNOWN_370 · 04-02-2013, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by StangerGT

And with all that said, I agree with the numbers... but just because we are comparing the Z to two models that have a disproportionaty high amount of sales, that doesnt mean the Z per say is a cult car. It just means those two car models sell like hot cakes, and have been around forever. Those cars also have a much wider range of use then the Z. And if we compare the Camaro and Mustang combined, against many cars they would be considered a cult.

I consider a cult following to be of a car that is somewhat rare, maybe sold in low numbers or many have been since destroyed, and is followed because of a hard to find nature, or a quarkyness. The Z does not have these qualities. Its rather inexpensive for the performance offered, I could go buy one right now used or new without even trying to find one. There is a large aftermarket for it.

I think it may have been a cult at the start, but I think it has out grown this.

Scarface is a cult movie. I can buy a copy right now. That's not the exact meaning. There's no difficulty of attainability of cult cars. cult is, as I said. A small following of die hard fans. Cult followings are usually geared to a certain type of person, vs something that appeals to the masses. Purchasing a Z does NOT appeal to the masses.
No matter how many people may like the Z. Many opt out of purchase for american muscle or german GT's. That said. The Z only appeals to a certain type of person. ie cult. Your definition of cult is muttled with the "exclusive" and "rare car" definitions. Cult is something else.

DEFINITION: A cult following is a group of fans who are highly dedicated to a specific area of culture.

I would describe most Z enthusiasts as such.
Lasty, corvettes have been around 6 decades and they still have a cult following. as popular as they are. I consider vettes. cult cars based on the definition of cult. Based on it sells in domestically low volumes for a sports car, most purchases are from heritage/culture educated owners and a good ratio of owners are involved in some type of corvette social activity. like many Z owners. Corvette won't ever sell in high volumes to the masses. And it's more than a niche car based on the type of people who buy them.

Evo and STi also have a cult following.

StangerGT · 04-02-2013, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Scarface is a cult movie. I can buy a copy right now. That's not the exact meaning. There's no difficulty of attainability of cult cars. cult is, as I said. A small following of die hard fans. Cult followings are usually geared to a certain type of person, vs something that appeals to the masses. Purchasing a Z does NOT appeal to the masses.
No matter how many people may like the Z. Many opt out of purchase for american muscle or german GT's. That said. The Z only appeals to a certain type of person. ie cult. Your definition of cult is muttled with the "exclusive" and "rare car" definitions. Cult is something else.

DEFINITION: A cult following is a group of fans who are highly dedicated to a specific area of culture.

I would describe most Z enthusiasts as such.
Lasty, corvettes have been around 6 decades and they still have a cult following. as popular as they are. I consider vettes. cult cars based on the definition of cult. Based on it sells in domestically low volumes for a sports car, most purchases are from heritage/culture educated owners and a good ratio of owners are involved in some type of corvette social activity. like many Z owners. Corvette won't ever sell in high volumes to the masses. And it's more than a niche car based on the type of people who buy them.

Evo and STi also have a cult following.

I think our difference in definition is based on the amount of people required for it to be considered a cult. I dont think the Z fan base is small enough for that as it has been growing over the years, and is more in the mainstream now. This scenario leaves every other sports car on the market open to the term of cult following with the exception of the Mustang and Camaro.

The Delorian is not exclusive, it is rare, but one does not have to jump through hoops to obtain it, and it is not very expensive. It is a cult because few desire it, and have a passion for it. The Z crowd by comparison is massive, maybe not the size of the Mustang group, but I wouldnt consider it small by any means.

UNKNOWN_370 · 04-02-2013, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by StangerGT

I think our difference in definition is based on the amount of people required for it to be considered a cult. I dont think the Z fan base is small enough for that as it has been growing over the years, and is more in the mainstream now. This scenario leaves every other sports car on the market open to the term of cult following with the exception of the Mustang and Camaro.

The Delorian is not exclusive, it is rare, but one does not have to jump through hoops to obtain it, and it is not very expensive. It is a cult because few desire it, and have a passion for it. The Z crowd by comparison is massive, maybe not the size of the Mustang group, but I wouldnt consider it small by any means.

To make your comaprison you are using a in production cult car vs out of production.

I can go back and forth on this all day to explain why the z has a cult following. Why the Z is not a mainstream vehicle in the U.S. as it stands right now. Especially, the Z32 and Z34 are anything but mainstream. But this is not the topic of this thread. So lets agree to disagree.

At least we can all agree there is NOTHING exclusive about a Z.

StangerGT · 04-02-2013, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

To make your comaprison you are using a in production cult car vs out of production.

I can go back and forth on this all day to explain why the z has a cult following. Why the Z is not a mainstream vehicle in the U.S. as it stands right now. Especially, the Z32 and Z34 are anything but mainstream. But this is not the topic of this thread. So lets agree to disagree.

At least we can all agree there is NOTHING exclusive about a Z.

lolz agreed

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