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gsxr750 · 04-02-2013, 03:09 PM

Look at the pics of the long bed ford 4x4 stuck in the mud , it isn't going forward and read the post in the link, they will even tell you that even a winch wouldn't get the 4x4 out when its held in place by the mud suction and you have to put constant tension on the cable and let it sit for hrs. waiting for it to break it self loose.

I gave up on the off roading after a idiot friend of mine destroyed his newly restored 79 blaser K5 after driving it in a land fill and he got it barried in the mud and destroyed the engine and the tranny, due to a carpet getting wrapped around the drive shaft. He basically gave the truck away to the owner of the land fill, as he faced big legal problems with getting it out.

The idiot just lost a $10k restored custom truck, my last 4x4 was a Chevy K20 short wheel base , with a front winch , brush guards, skid plates and good mud/snow tires, 4 inch lift.

After burying my K20 once up to the axles and have to dig a trench for a oak log to bury and attach the wench cable to and 6hrs of back breaking work in 40 degree weather, I said F this crap. Stick with the ATV, dirt bike or snowmobile. If I had a rear winch I could have attached it to a tree behind me.

Also when your buried in mud up to both bumpers and your boots are getting sucked off your feet with every step, do you really think your going want to dig out the front wench and transfer it to the buried rear bumper to attach it. A moveable wench would work fine in a dry or desert situation , but not in the mud and snow or really rocky terrain .

The other issue was having to pay $13,500 financed at 13% interest for 5 yrs. for vehicles back then and you destroying it in the mud or rocks.

If your determined to go off roading in a 4x4 your really better off with a used 4x4 ranger, s10 or jeep wrangler etc. and setting it up as an off road beater.

Red__Zed · 04-02-2013, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by gsxr750

Look at the pics of the long bed ford 4x4 stuck in the mud , it isn't going forward and read the post in the link, they will even tell you that even a winch wouldn't get the 4x4 out when its held in place by the mud suction and you have to put constant tension on the cable and let it sit for hrs. waiting for it to break it self loose.

so because a winch won't help, I should have two?

You need other vehicles, not more winches attached to your own.

Quote:

I gave up on the off roading after a idiot friend of mine destroyed his newly restored 79 blaser K5 after driving it in a land fill and he got it barried in the mud and destroyed the engine and the tranny, due to a carpet getting wrapped around the drive shaft. He basically gave the truck away to the owner of the land fill, as he faced big legal problems with getting it out.

The idiot just lost a $10k restored custom truck, my last 4x4 was a Chevy K20 short wheel base , with a front winch , brush guards, skid plates and good mud/snow tires, 4 inch lift.

After burying my K20 once up to the axles and have to dig a trench for a oak log to bury and attach the wench cable to and 6hrs of back breaking work in 40 degree weather, I said F this crap. Stick with the ATV, dirt bike or snowmobile. If I had a rear winch I could have attached it to a tree behind me.

Also when your buried in mud up to both bumpers and your boots are getting sucked off your feet with every step, do you really think your going want to dig out the front wench and transfer it to the buried rear bumper to attach it. A moveable wench would work fine in a dry or desert situation , but not in the mud and snow or really rocky terrain .

The other issue was having to pay $13,500 financed at 13% interest for 5 yrs. for vehicles back then and you destroying it in the mud or rocks.

If your determined to go off roading in a 4x4 your really better off with a used 4x4 ranger, s10 or jeep wrangler etc. and setting it up as an off road beater.

No one is disputing that old and cheap is a better way to go. If you'd read the thread you would probably have seen that mentioned by me a couple of times.

A secondary winch, however, sits way down on the list of "wants." Most of the time when you're stuck in deep mud, you can't operate a winch attached to your vehicle anyways, so you're working the uphill one instead.

UNKNOWN_370 · 04-02-2013, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

so because a winch won't help, I should have two?

You need other vehicles, not more winches attached to your own.

No one is disputing that old and cheap is a better way to go. If you'd read the thread you would probably have seen that mentioned by me a couple of times.

A secondary winch, however, sits way down on the list of "wants." Most of the time when you're stuck in deep mud, you can't operate a winch attached to your vehicle anyways, so you're working the uphill one instead.

Yeah.the first thing you told me is any serious off-roading I do, I'm better off with an older body-on chassis than these new Jeeps with unibodies.

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gsxr750 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: west Posts: 443 Drives: 2012 370z man. sport Rep Power: 15	Look at the pics of the long bed ford 4x4 stuck in the mud , it isn't going forward and read the post in the link, they will even tell you that even a winch wouldn't get the 4x4 out when its held in place by the mud suction and you have to put constant tension on the cable and let it sit for hrs. waiting for it to break it self loose. I gave up on the off roading after a idiot friend of mine destroyed his newly restored 79 blaser K5 after driving it in a land fill and he got it barried in the mud and destroyed the engine and the tranny, due to a carpet getting wrapped around the drive shaft. He basically gave the truck away to the owner of the land fill, as he faced big legal problems with getting it out. The idiot just lost a $10k restored custom truck, my last 4x4 was a Chevy K20 short wheel base , with a front winch , brush guards, skid plates and good mud/snow tires, 4 inch lift. After burying my K20 once up to the axles and have to dig a trench for a oak log to bury and attach the wench cable to and 6hrs of back breaking work in 40 degree weather, I said F this crap. Stick with the ATV, dirt bike or snowmobile. If I had a rear winch I could have attached it to a tree behind me. Also when your buried in mud up to both bumpers and your boots are getting sucked off your feet with every step, do you really think your going want to dig out the front wench and transfer it to the buried rear bumper to attach it. A moveable wench would work fine in a dry or desert situation , but not in the mud and snow or really rocky terrain . The other issue was having to pay $13,500 financed at 13% interest for 5 yrs. for vehicles back then and you destroying it in the mud or rocks. If your determined to go off roading in a 4x4 your really better off with a used 4x4 ranger, s10 or jeep wrangler etc. and setting it up as an off road beater.