FWD BRZ Fighter? Thoughts for Nissan Lovers!

UNKNOWN_370

The reviews of this thing being fast in the corners is with stock tires. I understand what you're saying but. If this car was so great with stock tires. Supposedly you can drive this car into corners while pushing the limit with ease, on stock tires... It should be able to beat a civicWITH MASSIVE UNDERSTEER on a track even with better tires... The civic still lacks the balance and low COG perfect for corner cutting.

This car gets too much hype. Period.

I'd rather get a car with a strong engine and good handling and build up my suspension, than have a slow azz car with a average suspension, that is so light it gives the illusion of excellent handling.

Subie's system isnt advanced? Kool... It still the best system in a $25,000 car.

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nuTinmuch

The car gets a lot of hype because it is good. Basically every journalist disagrees with you.

The car is "good" on stock tires because it is fun on stock tires. They picked them so you could easily (and safely) get the rear tires loose, not because they're good for lap times.

Everyone already knows that one test R&T did with the FR-S, though, which showed this perfectly. When they stuck equal summer rubber on the FR-S it was faster than the WRX and the MS3.

Now, by all means, ride the WRX into the moon for all I care. I'll likely be switching into a WRX or a ST later this year for practicality's sake.

But based on what I've seen, if performance was the only thing I was interested in I'd pick up a BRZ and go to town in aftermarket land.

The system Subaru uses is very basic from a technological standpoint. I'm not saying it isn't good -- quite the opposite, if you read my last post -- I'm just saying that it isn't advanced, which was what the post I was replying to was saying.

The simplicity of the system is why it is good.

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UNKNOWN_370

You can do 100 write ups worshipping the BRZ. But... I'm not falling into the corporate sponsored hype. Sure the BRZ/FRS is a fun car to drive "when pushed to the limit". A lightweight properly geared low hp is always fun to drive. I can get the same experience from a used $2500 econobox from the 80's. prelude, CRX, Rx-7, RWD corolla, celica etc... At $30k for a nicely featured 16 second car? I'd rather take the R-spec 2.0T and replace the whole suspension piece by piece

For a cool romp to work? Yeah i'll take one. To spend $10k in mods and the car still be slower than my stock $34k Z? When $2,000 in suspension mods makes the Z pretty damn capable? I'll stick with the Z.. Shed 200lbs off the Z and i'm good to go.

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ZBro16

How much is this Civic? (Can't currently watch the vid). My guess is well over $30k like that Mugen edition they used to make. That is a bit more than a BRZ Premium. I have read repeatedly that the stock wheel/tire combo is the weakest link in the car. Edmunds actually replaced the set on their test car with a set of TE37s and stickier rubber and it performed a ton better on their road test.

What's out there for $25k that's equal or better?

Red__Zed

You'd be hard pressed to find a Subaru for less than $25k anymore.


You would probably have to have a good friend find a clean used one on a 370z forum, being sold primarily because the owner was moving out of state.

Frankly, that just doesn't sound realistic to me.

Lug

For me, the Ford Focus ST....that's why I bought it instead.

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mick

I thought I was going to get a Focus ST but in the end, I went for the WRX
It is more comfortable than I thought

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ZBro16

I was talking about AWD systems.

As far as $25k fun cars, it's really a "to each his own" category. I bought a Mazdaspeed3. The Focus ST wasn't quite out yet when I bought. Great looking car though and from what I've read, very capable.

Red__Zed

That result is similar to the Boss LS absolutely destroying the M3. Tire choice is very misleading.

ZBro16

The BRZ/FR-S is hyped because it's a fresh take on a cheap RWD sports car. In the current market landscape, there are people that want to have fun but can't justify $30K+ to do it, nor sacrifice the fuel economy. The BRZ does all that. Fun in a cheap package, capable of 30MPG. It's exactly what the "fun car segment" in the current American economy needs, and that's why they're selling like hotcakes.

I have no idea why so many people are nuts over this car being hyped. The enthusiast will ALWAYS find a car that's better than one that gets positive mainstream attention. The same can be said for beer, bands, food, movies, etc.

The point of the BRZ was NEVER to blow the doors off an Evo. The point of the BRZ was to have fun while not breaking the bank. It does exactly that.

UNKNOWN_370

Both cars are $26,000. The BRZ starts there, The Civic tops out there.

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ZBro16

Well at least they were smart on the pricing. That's still more than I'd pay for a Civic, but that Mugen edition was retarded levels of expensive.

Yeah I guess the BRZ is roughly 26K starting out (25,495). Either way... that civic may get it now, but the aftermarket presence behind the BRZ is huge, and you have a pretty capable platform to start with for long term bigger power. Won't be long before there is a fairly accessible 350hp build for it, but that would defeat the purpose of saving the money in the first place I guess. I've seen people dump $10K+ into 20 year old 240s though, so I guess it is a "to each his own" scenario.

I have always hated the Prius wheels on the BRZ.

Jordo!

There's general consensus that the twins are fun.

As a sports car, it's a let down. Notwithstanding hooning potential, there's no point in getting all excited over a sports car that gets destroyed by virtually every other hot hatch on the market -- especialy considering the typical hot hatch is meant to be a compromise whereas the twins are "purpose built".

Purpose built for what? Bragging to some guy in a Civic that you have a FR car, and therefore have the superior vehicle?

That would be fine if the Civic was being destroyed on the track, but it's not.

Again, this is why everyone hollers "it aint about the numbers!".

Of course not, The numbers are pitiful relative to the excitement that was generated.

I say, screw 'em.

Toyota, just give us grownups the twincharged version you built, charge us 35 grand for it, and let the children drive their cheap toys.

As things stand, Toyota is very close to bringing back the FWD hot hatch as a viable sports car option... whoops.

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UNKNOWN_370

Congrats on your new car.

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mick

thanks. I went to see my insurance agent and she told me I bought too many cars. So I told her I was positive this would be my last car purchase for this year :-)

I was worried about the WRX insurance rate but it's not too bad probably because I insure all my cars with this company.

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