370Z replacement...suggestions?

ImportConvert · 01-17-2013, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by speedfreek

Just make sure wherever you take it has an actual paint booth. I had a Toyota previously that was in an accident. Took it to Toyota thinking they would be able to get the parts the fastest and match the paint since they deal with the cars and the bodyshop is located on the Toyota lot. Well after much back and forth over the quality of the paint job (there was a lot of debris in the paint, orange peel, etc..) It turns out they just paint the cars in the back of the bodyshop no paint booth nothing. The manager says we can paint the thing 10 times and it is going to come out the same that piece of debris may not be there on the fender and now over here but this is the best we can do. I was amazed. I don't see how someone can run a shop and not disclose this beforehand. I would have not taken my vehicle to them to be repaired. Anyways I tell you that story so you don't go through anything similar. I have learned it is best to ask questions up front to the tiniest detail than to hope and wish it turns out ok. After my ordeal and a similar one with the Z. I will be taking tours of the establishment working on my cars in the future. If it doesn't check out to my likings...then on to the next one.

Good luck on getting your car back close to 100% as possible.

Charles Body Shop

This is who is doing the work. I demanded this shop, and since I get to pick by law...that's who's doing it.

speedfreek · 01-17-2013, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

Charles Body Shop

This is who is doing the work. I demanded this shop, and since I get to pick by law...that's who's doing it.

Considering they've been in business since 1948 they must be doing something right. Hopefully they will get you fixed up to your specs.

Davey · 01-17-2013, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

No fanboyism here, just objective commentary that is largely considered accurate by folks that have driven both.

There's of course a major variable- what year s2000 did you have?

I owned an AP2. I know you have an AP1, and the steering racks are different, however the complaints go back to the AP1 as far as I know.

The commentary about the S2000 is out there. All you have to do is google "s2000 numb steering" and look at the pages of results and discussions at a variety of motorsports sites. Have you done that yet?

Red__Zed · 01-17-2013, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Davey

I owned an AP2. I know you have an AP1, and the steering racks are different, however the complaints go back to the AP1 as far as I know.

The commentary about the S2000 is out there. All you have to do is google "s2000 numb steering" and look at the pages of results and discussions at a variety of motorsports sites. Have you done that yet?

Absolutely have looked at these complaints. If you read through most of them, I completely understand where the complainers are coming from. For many of them, the S2000 was their first EPS sports car experience. I remember the hoopla in 99--a lot of people felt no sports car could ever sell with EPS. The S2000 is very much "numb" compared to a traditional PS setup.

The important thing to keep in mind is the feel of steering is very much relative. Does the 370z provide good feedback? My answer would be...compared to my mustang, yes. Compared to my S2000, the 370Z felt terrible.

That said-- can it be said that the steering FEEL is better/worse between the 370z & S2000? Sure. Many people will in fact prefer the steering feel of the 370z. However, claiming the S2000 lacks FEEDBACK relative to the 370Z (in any meaningful way) the way you did looks like you either a) don't have a clue what you are talking about or b) are out trolling

Given your previous claims of being the only man alive that can feel the L/R articulation of a solid rear axle, I'm inclined to believe it is the latter.

Davey · 01-17-2013, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

Absolutely have looked at these complaints. If you read through most of them, I completely understand where the complainers are coming from. For many of them, the S2000 was their first EPS sports car experience. I remember the hoopla in 99--a lot of people felt no sports car could ever sell with EPS. The S2000 is very much "numb" compared to a traditional PS setup.

It was mine as well, and the 370Z has a traditional hydraulic power steering system. So perhaps that tells you where I'm coming from. I don't think the 370Z's steering feel is the best ever, but I do think it's better than the S2000, which was annoyingly numb IMO.

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The important thing to keep in mind is the feel of steering is very much relative. Does the 370z provide good feedback? My answer would be...compared to my mustang, yes.

Agree.

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Compared to my S2000, the 370Z felt terrible.

Disagree. But I would agree that the S2000 had better feedback than the Mustang, which feels more like a video game than driving IMO.

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That said-- can it be said that the steering FEEL is better/worse between the 370z & S2000? Sure. Many people will in fact prefer the steering feel of the 370z. However, claiming the S2000 lacks FEEDBACK relative to the 370Z (in any meaningful way) the way you did looks like you either a) don't have a clue what you are talking about or b) are out trolling

I made it quite clear I'm talking about feedback and not feel, and speaking of having a clue what you're talking about, by your own words the S2000 steering feel is lacking compared to a "traditional power steering setup" which is what the 370Z has.

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Given your previous claims of being the only man alive that can feel the L/R articulation of a solid rear axle, I'm inclined to believe it is the latter.

Edit: Never mind, I'll take the high road and let you be the troll.

Red__Zed · 01-17-2013, 02:33 PM

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I made it quite clear I'm talking about feedback and not feel, and speaking of having a clue what you're talking about, by your own words the S2000 steering feel is lacking compared to a "traditional power steering setup" which is what the 370Z has.

There are plenty of numb hydro setups. That by itself means nothing.

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Given you previous claim to be "very sensitive" I'm guessing it must be to anyone doubting the absolute truth in your subjective opinions about anything automobile-related. Trolling? Moi? Oh, I must be, I don't agree with you about everything.

you must have me confused with someone else. Perhaps M4A1mustang?

Davey · 01-17-2013, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

There are plenty of numb hydro setups. That by itself means nothing.

There are even more numb EPS setups, though.

Tazicon · 02-22-2013, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Davey

I owned an AP2. I know you have an AP1, and the steering racks are different, however the complaints go back to the AP1 as far as I know.

The commentary about the S2000 is out there. All you have to do is google "s2000 numb steering" and look at the pages of results and discussions at a variety of motorsports sites. Have you done that yet?

I had to Google it as I was thinking about one for a track car...................wow there is a lot of feed back about S2000's not having feedback! lol

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