Because cars like the Vette, GT-R, etc. have had some big upgrades done over the years. While the Z has bee exactly the same, with Nissan changing the colors.

that sounds reasonable.:p

What do you guys think about the 370z when you see this list ?

If you were about to buy a $43k sports car, would you choose a Z over the rest of the options?




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A tough question to answer.
If I was in the same age, money, etc. I would probably still lean heavily towards a Z with a close second being the BMW 1 series probably (if we were only counting new car purchases). The tough part about today though is that Nissan has escalated the price so much without offering any advantage over a 2009 model that it is getting hard to justify the price difference. If they took the route of the GT-R and added new performance features, interior upgrades, car dynamics, etc with the price increase it would be an easier decision.

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When I first bought my Z, it was mostly for looks. Now i care mostly about performance. If I were to get another car in that price range it would definitely not be a Z. I'd try to get a used C6 Z06 for that much.

For over $40k I definitely wouldn't be buying a Z. Under $35k sure.

I know I will just be told I'm making crap up and I will be demanded to show proof but its been so long ago its hard to find but the 370 in this test was abused heavily for every mile on its clock. Its the same 370Z they achieved a pathetic 0-60 time of around 5.5 seconds and a 1/4 mile in the high 13's. In the same article they even mention it felt wrong the car. So I know I will be blasted by some people but this is the reason this car ran such a garbage lap.

How far from the 3:12.5 of the 350z you think the 370z could have been?

1 second quicker ?

Yea, pretty sure they ran into a couple of the well known track day issues the 370 is known for. Overheating and brake fade, which resulted in them wrecking the car and not being able to record as many decent laps.

Approximately. The improved power to weight dictates as such, it suggests that the driver didn't have confidence with the vehicle. Same reason the 458 beat the ZR1, the driver connected with the 458 and had no issue attacking corners with it, the ZR1 while very capable, feels completely different. They may not be getting enough seat time to come to terms with the vehicle.

They do use multiple drivers, but they are all amateurs, for it to be really fair they would have to borrow the Stig for a few days.

I added my own stereo, beefed up the brakes,oil cooler and dropped and swayed it. I knew once i did that plus the $34k i paid for the car. I had a great deal on my hands. The touring pkg pricing is a joke. The nav is laughable to hysteria... The nismo. A lot of good parts but not worth the extra weight. There's other ways to conquer rigidity without adding so much weight.

I Think there's better cars to buy if you're interested in the Z's touring pkg. I can tell you coming from a G. The G37s offers so much more for not too much more money if you're interested in refinement.

The 1series @ $46k gives a nice interior, better than the touring, with Z like performance. I just don't like Bimmer seats.

A corvette GS with rebate. Mustang Boss 302 and 2SS1LE come to mind when thinking of bang for buck in the 40k-50k range.

But $35,000. Base + sport cant be beat as an overall pkg... in spite of.

Yeah this time around I just got the Base + Sport. First thing I did was swap the HU out for a Pioneer AVH-X5500BHS. I have some Polk speakers on hand but with just the HU swap the stock speakers aren't bad at all. I will still swap them out when I get a chance.

Nav... I have my phone and a Garmin with lifetime map updates. :icon17:

I'm putting the 8400 in my wifes car and putting the upcoming 8500 in mine. Love what pioneer has been doing the last 2 years. They are really changing there game up

I was amazed when I found that my unit was only $350 shipped from Amazon prime.

Amazon.com com is :bowrofl::bowrofl::bowrofl: the best.

As I like to say, "If it isn't on Prime, I don't need it."

:iagree: mostly. They don't sell mags on amazon. lol I need that.:tup:

I know exactly what you're referring to. The diff in the car was completely open from what I remember?

:iagree: the couple times my Z ran in the 5.3 range, it was 106 degrees out. I remember beat to shyt testers in a few articles.

After a couple corners the diff goes that way anyways. :roflpuke2:

The real shame should be on Nissan, though. If they had given the Nismo proper brakes and an oil cooler (it is supposed to be the "track" model right?) it would have been able to make laps without issue.

Maybe but edmunds had a different take...........


"Handling Comments: (Slalom) Added stiffness makes Nismo harder to handle in our slalom which isn't very smooth. I'm confident this car is quicker on a racetrack, but the sharp bump at cone 3 makes it a challenge here. Same speed as the normal car, but a lot more work to get there. (Skid pad) Communication is good, but overall this doesn't seem like a great street setup, and grip is inexplicably less than the standard Z"

Track Tested: 2009 Nissan Nismo 370Z vs. 2009 Nissan 370Z Touring

Suspension is always a compromise. Like the reviewer said, they believe it'd be quicker on a race track, but on their test slalom it was not because of... compromise.

Nissan never called it an out of the box track car. They called it a track inspired car. Politics brother... But that's history now.
The Nismo has brake cooling hoses and upgraded/updated tech, base pads and an optional pair that rock. There's an oil cooler now that helps somewhat decently. But before i got my cooler. I was able to drop my temps 12 degrees with premium oil. 12 degrees is still enough drop to save me from limp mode under crucial situations.
I think the pads having to be changed was on C&D. You can tell driving off the lot that Z pads aren't really good for the track.

You'd just think they'd have given it the goods. Especially at its price.

You know the sport package is not 35k anymore right? Even if you got a good deal they are trying to charge 38k at all dealers.. And like you said that's almost 40k when all said and done. Way to much

I just bought one for less than $35k.

It's a bit of a stretch given what you get, but it's the car I wanted so whatever. #YOLO

34-35 is a great package, but that's not what they are charging your average joe.

Also I had to spend 1200 just to get a proper exhaust note, 400 on swift springs to make the car feel planted and stiffer. I spent 1200 on pss tires just to prevent massive oversteer. I spent 500 to change head unit and speakers that blew the day after I drove home with car.

1) Average Joe needs to do more research. They should pay invoice or better.

2) Everyone buys exhaust.

3) Personal preference

4) Massive oversteer? This is a front heavy car that likes to plow when pushed hard on corner entry. Must be doing something wrong?

5. Most everyone that gets a base car does it with the intent of upgrading the stereo. :icon17:

Average Joe doesn't modify a leased car...

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Welcome back, dude. :tup:

yep!:shakes head:

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He did what????:wtf2:

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Tell me he does his own oil changes etc and doesnt go to the dealership??? :rofl2:

There is one exception. When the temp is below 60F ambient it takes a few miles to get the tires warmed up enough to stick, in that window the car is an oversteering hell beast (in a fun way). Below 40F it is tough to get the tires warm at all.

That's true. I didn't even consider that because I figure this is something most people should know. :driving:

All these mods can be sold once i go back to stock and get out of this heavy pig

Next gen z needs to be lighter and leaner, I knew I wouldn't want this fat pig more than 3 years.

I can attest that it does feel heavy, especially coming from the S2K... it's like a boat. However... you knew this all along. Why'd you sign the contract?

IMO, if you impulse buy/lease there is really no room to complain. You've got to :dealwithit: like a man. Or use LeaseTrader.

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Look at the comp for a minute. and im going to go by proper engines.

Mustang v6 track pkg with loaded pkg. $31,000 weight 3500lbs... 305hp
Camaro v6 loaded rs pkg loaded @$32,500 weight 3700lbs... 323hp
Nissan 370z v6 base/sport manual $36,500 3300lbs... 332hp
Hyundai gencoupe v6 R-spec $30,500 3400lbs... 350hp


And this v6 matches or gives 93% of the power of the v8 versions of the muscle cars while still being a v6. The Z is pricey by comparison. But you blame the car for things that are blatently your fault for not being savvy when you made the purchase

The Z can be negotiated easier than the rest save for the mustang v6. it's easy to drop price on it. At least in my region.

I remember seeing your post on vw vortex that you don't believe the z doesnt do anything special. I'm surprised you got one again

I'm on VW Vortex? :confused:

Z is a master of none but a jack of all trades. If you want it to be special in a certain area. It needs to be tweaked for that. You buy mustangs and they come ready to do one job and you buy it for that job. No worries. The Z is a different type of car. It will do all well but wont be the master at a specialized area till you tweak it. This is not a car for guys that expect out the box perfection. This car is a canvas for the personalized tuner.

In other words. This car wasn't designed for the masses. It was designed for a special group of people who understand the Z's "philosophy of use". (For all you TNP'ers out there...:icon17:)

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