The car most enthusiasts still sleep on

UNKNOWN_370 · 01-03-2013, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

I paid 30k for my z in 2010 and don't regret it for a second. The BRZ, Miata, and Exige are all cars that can deliver lightweight thrills with little power. I respect them all.

If all you care about is stats, you're limiting yourself.

Ok you bought a base Z in 09. Great. Would you pay corvette prices for a car like the BRZ. If not? Why?

You will avoid answering that question because it negates your futile argument. It would be unrealistic to buy a BRZ when theres a corvette that may not hailed as being as fun as a BRZ... BUT WE KNOW, from what we read. We would find the corvette waaaaay more fun. and stats play a role... I wouldn't pay $60k for the hype of BRZ fun based on the cars inability to perform on paper and against anything in the $60k range
stats not all i care about.........But you're missing the point of the importance of stats....................... The point is, stats will determine what you are willing to shell out for a sports car. If stats were everything? I'd be in a mustang GT or 302 BOSS... Don't you think?
Dollar for dollar the mustang offers more, but i prefer the Z in terms of fun. But the Z is much more engineered than a mustang. So I see why the inferior performing Z can be worth the same as a more powerful mustang.
Would you pay $43k for a miata? Miatas are fun.

Back on topic now....

shadoquad · 01-03-2013, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Ok you bought a base Z in 09. Great. Would you pay corvette prices for a car like the BRZ. If not? Why?

You will avoid answering that question because it negates your futile argument. It would be unrealistic to buy a BRZ when theres a corvette that may not hailed as being as fun as a BRZ... BUT WE KNOW, from what we read. We would find the corvette waaaaay more fun. and stats play a role... I wouldn't pay $60k for the hype of BRZ fun based on the cars inability to perform on paper and against anything in the $60k range
stats not all i care about.........But you're missing the point of the importance of stats....................... The point is, stats will determine what you are willing to shell out for a sports car. If stats were everything? I'd be in a mustang GT or 302 BOSS... Don't you think?
Dollar for dollar the mustang offers more, but i prefer the Z in terms of fun. But the Z is much more engineered than a mustang. So I see why the inferior performing Z can be worth the same as a more powerful mustang.
Would you pay $43k for a miata? Miatas are fun.

Back on topic now....

I'd buy a Lotus Elise, and they're Vette money for half the stats.

And BRZ/FRS are selling quite well in spite of your argument.

I didn't avoid your question. A 43,000 dollar Miata doesn't exist, but performance alone isn't the reason. The car isn't worth that much. It's not all paper stats. It's also plastic materials, versatility, lack of gadgetry.

You're terrible to argue with, because you can never cede a single point. Do people pay vette money for Z's? Ask anyone with a fully loaded roadster or Nismo, I guess. With incentives, they could have afforded a base vette, if it was all about stats. And you bring up the boss mustang, which supports my argument. That car is much faster than a Nismo Z on paper and costs the same.

If the BRZ was nice enough, people would pay 60. But it's not. It's a Subaru with a plastic interior.

But yes, let's get back to the topic of the Hyundai, which has nice paper stats, although I'd still want an Infiniti G37s.

b1adesofcha0s · 01-03-2013, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

I'd buy a Lotus Elise, and they're Vette money for half the stats.

And BRZ/FRS are selling quite well in spite of your argument.

I didn't avoid your question. A 43,000 dollar Miata doesn't exist, but performance alone isn't the reason. The car isn't worth that much. It's not all paper stats. It's also plastic materials, versatility, lack of gadgetry.

You're terrible to argue with, because you can never cede a single point. Do people pay vette money for Z's? Ask anyone with a fully loaded roadster or Nismo, I guess. With incentives, they could have afforded a base vette, if it was all about stats. And you bring up the boss mustang, which supports my argument. That car is much faster than a Nismo Z on paper and costs the same.

If the BRZ was nice enough, people would pay 60. But it's not. It's a Subaru with a plastic interior.

But yes, let's get back to the topic of the Hyundai, which has nice paper stats, although I'd still want an Infiniti G37s.

daisuke149 · 01-03-2013, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Ok you bought a base Z in 09. Great. Would you pay corvette prices for a car like the BRZ. If not? Why?

You will avoid answering that question because it negates your futile argument. It would be unrealistic to buy a BRZ when theres a corvette that may not hailed as being as fun as a BRZ... BUT WE KNOW, from what we read. We would find the corvette waaaaay more fun. and stats play a role... I wouldn't pay $60k for the hype of BRZ fun based on the cars inability to perform on paper and against anything in the $60k range
stats not all i care about.........But you're missing the point of the importance of stats....................... The point is, stats will determine what you are willing to shell out for a sports car. If stats were everything? I'd be in a mustang GT or 302 BOSS... Don't you think?
Dollar for dollar the mustang offers more, but i prefer the Z in terms of fun. But the Z is much more engineered than a mustang. So I see why the inferior performing Z can be worth the same as a more powerful mustang.
Would you pay $43k for a miata? Miatas are fun.

Back on topic now....

Not sure if the Z is over engineered compared to the stang. go drive them both and you'll see.

And your arguement is invalid. Fun doesnt = price. My versa is hella fun. but i wouldnt have paid more than 15k for it new. Which is why despite the fun the BRZ is still over priced at 25k. And its not because of stats on paper, its because of how it feels when i have to drive it everyday.

The reviewers etc who love that car all do so because they have open roads and tracks.. tell someone in a city to review it and see the difference. And yes that matters because despite what we all like to believe, we dont live on race tracks.

ZMan8 · 01-03-2013, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by daisuke149

Not sure if the Z is over engineered compared to the stang. go drive them both and you'll see.

And your arguement is invalid. Fun doesnt = price. My versa is hella fun. but i wouldnt have paid more than 15k for it new. Which is why despite the fun the BRZ is still over priced at 25k. And its not because of stats on paper, its because of how it feels when i have to drive it everyday.

The reviewers etc who love that car all do so because they have open roads and tracks.. tell someone in a city to review it and see the difference. And yes that matters because despite what we all like to believe, we dont live on race tracks.

This is key. This car isnt as fun on a regular daily basis because its small on the inside(not practical) and has a very weak engine. While driving to work I consider fun when I feel like I have an untamed tiger underneath me that at the push if a pedal can let all h*** loose. Brz is a kitty when driving it everyday. Yes its a fun car when pushed to the limit...but how many drivers do that on a regular basis. My opinion is further driven by the fact that i live in chicago. We do not have mountains ot twisities here. It's straight lines on flat land.

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UNKNOWN_370 · 01-03-2013, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

I'd buy a Lotus Elise, and they're Vette money for half the stats.

And BRZ/FRS are selling quite well in spite of your argument.

I didn't avoid your question. A 43,000 dollar Miata doesn't exist, but performance alone isn't the reason. The car isn't worth that much. It's not all paper stats. It's also plastic materials, versatility, lack of gadgetry.

You're terrible to argue with, because you can never cede a single point. Do people pay vette money for Z's? Ask anyone with a fully loaded roadster or Nismo, I guess. With incentives, they could have afforded a base vette, if it was all about stats. And you bring up the boss mustang, which supports my argument. That car is much faster than a Nismo Z on paper and costs the same.

If the BRZ was nice enough, people would pay 60. But it's not. It's a Subaru with a plastic interior.

But yes, let's get back to the topic of the Hyundai, which has nice paper stats, although I'd still want an Infiniti G37s.

With the miata not existing. Isnt my point. The point is a miata isnt 43k for a reason. it wouldnt maatch up against sports cars in that area. Its stats wont allow it. The lotus may be very different from a vette, but has a performance set unique to its price range and still has performance stats in the range of a cayman. so it makes sense for a lotus to be in that price range with a vette. Lotus's are extremely lightweight and have no weight competitor in the price range.

Coming from a G37s, id rather have one too. But it doesnt mean the hyundai doesn't meet what i condier a competitive criteria for its price range. considering a Rspec 3.8 is 29k and a G37s is $47k you are paying greatly for your preferences. that being said, theres not much more performance for an 18k deficit in a G. At least not $18k worth

ZMan8 · 01-03-2013, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

With the miata not existing. Isnt my point. The point is a miata isnt 43k for a reason. it wouldnt maatch up against sports cars in that area. Its stats wont allow it. The lotus may be very different from a vette, but has a performance set unique to its price range and still has performance stats in the range of a cayman. so it makes sense for a lotus to be in that price range with a vette. Lotus's are extremely lightweight and have no weight competitor in the price range.

Coming from a G37s, id rather have one too. But it doesnt mean the hyundai doesn't meet what i condier a competitive criteria for its price range. considering a Rspec 3.8 is 29k and a G37s is $47k you are paying greatly for your preferences. that being said, theres not much more performance for an 18k deficit in a G. At least not $18k worth

With the g37 you have pay a premium for theluxury aspects of the car/brand.

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Lemers · 01-03-2013, 11:11 AM

First I'm gonna start by saying I didn't read all the pages so I sorry if my thoughts were already discussed.

The Gencoups target was the g coup. It did very well to hit that target. The biggest mistake they made was not designing it to fit the sedan's V8. That would have made an interesting GT or limited available car.

FairladyZ · 01-03-2013, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Lemers

First I'm gonna start by saying I didn't read all the pages so I sorry if my thoughts were already discussed.

The Gencoups target was the g coup. It did very well to hit that target. The biggest mistake they made was not designing it to fit the sedan's V8. That would have made an interesting GT or limited available car.

I don't think Infiniti or anyone cares who the gen coupes target is.

No one cross shops a g37 and that Hyundai.

People who look at g37 is aiming at luxury and probably is looking at the 3 series coupe, a5 coupe, c class coupe.

daisuke149 · 01-03-2013, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by FairladyZ

I don't think Infiniti or anyone cares who the gen coupes target is.

No one cross shops a g37 and that Hyundai.

People who look at g37 is aiming at luxury and probably is looking at the 3 series coupe, a5 coupe, c class coupe.

really? is that so? I cross shopped them.

strange. I must not exist. in that case.. bye bye all.

bdavis89 · 01-03-2013, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by FairladyZ

I don't think Infiniti or anyone cares who the gen coupes target is.

No one cross shops a g37 and that Hyundai.

People who look at g37 is aiming at luxury and probably is looking at the 3 series coupe, a5 coupe, c class coupe.

I did...but I also cross shopped them with the GTI and 370z..so I must be CrAzY!!

FairladyZ · 01-03-2013, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by bdavis89

I did...but I also cross shopped them with the GTI and 370z..so I must be CrAzY!!

Gti,370z,gen coupe

Yeh that works.

daisuke149 · 01-03-2013, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by FairladyZ

Gti,370z,gen coupe

Yeh that works.

actually

gTi
370z
g37
335
135
g8 gt
corvette

cross shopped them all.

Your just being ignorant.

FairladyZ · 01-03-2013, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by daisuke149

actually

gTi
370z
g37
335
135
g8 gt
corvette

cross shopped them all.

Your just being ignorant.

No I'm just looking in terms of price.

No need to attack me personally. Relax bro, just conversation.

Lemers · 01-03-2013, 02:14 PM

The Gen Coup and G37 may not always cross shopped but it all depends on where your high and low limits are when concerning price.

When I got my Z the Gen Coup was the low end in price while the G37 was the high end. I also looked at the 2010 mustang and 2009 Camaro.

01-03-2013, 11:11 AM	#113 (permalink)
Lemers A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Izmir, Turkey Posts: 15,371 Drives: 2012 Traverse LTZ Rep Power: 52	First I'm gonna start by saying I didn't read all the pages so I sorry if my thoughts were already discussed. The Gencoups target was the g coup. It did very well to hit that target. The biggest mistake they made was not designing it to fit the sedan's V8. That would have made an interesting GT or limited available car. __________________ 2010 Black Cherry Touring/Sport/Nav Now - 2012 Travese LTZ until I leave for Turkey

01-03-2013, 02:14 PM	#120 (permalink)
Lemers A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Izmir, Turkey Posts: 15,371 Drives: 2012 Traverse LTZ Rep Power: 52	The Gen Coup and G37 may not always cross shopped but it all depends on where your high and low limits are when concerning price. When I got my Z the Gen Coup was the low end in price while the G37 was the high end. I also looked at the 2010 mustang and 2009 Camaro. __________________ 2010 Black Cherry Touring/Sport/Nav Now - 2012 Travese LTZ until I leave for Turkey

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