Originally Posted by 6MT (Post 2084253)

Fair enough. But I've seen far too many Hyundai's go through our shop. And I've sold countless parts over the years for them, that my view is a little tainted. You get the feel for that. I'll give them about another five years or so. If their quality remains and their reliability is half decent (not like the past 10 years). Then, I would consider them. Until then, I can't give them any respect.

Time will tell.

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 2084731)

I feel you. And I'm sure if you compare a G37s to a 370z, you'd probably wouldn't want the G as your track car either.

I'm just nervous about all this sketchy Z info. Everytime magazines mention the Z and BRZ in the same breath when it comes to nissans next generation iteration. People say on paper numbers are garbage but I will challenge this theory of on paper stats meaning nothing.

The Z gained praise in 09 for having identical on paper stats as the Porsche Cayman S while beating it in overall grip. The Cayman S @ the time was a 13.3 second quarter mile car that averaged .94g on the skidpad. The Z pushed 13.1 (with automatic with .99g on the skidpad. On paper... this car was considered a Porsche fighter. The Z is far from the fastest car on the road but a driver capable enough can show a real competitive edge on paper.

If the "SO CALLED" extremely fun and "BEST OVERALL SPORTS CAR" in the world is a FRS/BRZ. And all of a sudden, these are the stats to beat???? The Z's new on paper quota to beat is 16 second quarters and .93g on the skidpad. I would call that 2 steps forward and 4 steps back.
If we make the BRZ our competitor? And Hyundai makes the BMW 3 series the competitor. We go from Porsche to subaru while Hyundai goes from infiniti to BMW. As it stands the gencoupe 2.0 CREAMS a BRZ on a roadcoarse. Now I don't see either of these cars as any real Z competitors. But when people in mags talk on types of cars tfor Nissan to beat or battle. That gets me nervous cuz as of now... NISSAN HAS THESE CARS BEAT BY A MILE...
My biggest Z fear is a Nissan downgrade while these little guys upgrade. Hmmm? One to ponder. I hope all this Bullshyt BRZ hype doesn't make nissan feel the need to downgrade the Z??? Remember, Mr K back in 2010 compained of the Z being to heavy. And power being too much of the focus. Mr K didn't like the Z34. Sadly I do.

The 2014 Porsche Cayman S with Sport Chrono package is the car to beat. 12.6 quarter mile. That number to me means something. The BRZ 15.9 seconds means as much to me as used toilet paper.

While I know sports cars aren't defined by speed. Speed and handling is my personal preference. I love fast cars that handle awesome. Sorry if I broke sports car law??? But the Z is a perfect combo of the above. (Though a little to front heavy)

Originally Posted by dragonbreath (Post 2084798)

Hopefully if Nissan does "downsize", it will be lighter with a 300hp turbo engine! Thats just dreaming though lol.

Originally Posted by luigi90210 (Post 2085234)

oh im there with you

the g37s in my honest opinion isnt a good track car, its a nice street car though
the 370z is an excellent track car and a really good street car, and the nismo 370z is even better

but i feel paper stats are only there when it benefits people, and they help when making comparisons between cars(aka argue which car is better) but it doesnt do anymore then that

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 2086479)

That's because they are such a PITA to launch. :icon17:

They are fully capable of 12.6-12.7 stock. I managed a 12.8 but was still giving up some on my 60'. That's on the driver, though. :shakes head:

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 2086463)

I'll admit that too many forum threads go overboard with "On paper" stats as a measurement of a sports car being good. Really, on paper stats don't prove much in that area.

But when it comes to car companies meeting a performance goal. Those on paper stats mean a lot before you purchase. To me, the on paper stats help me determine if the car is worth spending the money.

I'm pretty sure the on paper stats of a stock mustang 5.0 having the capability of pulling a 12.6 second quarter mile with a foot of roll out sold a crap load of them. Yet on drag tracks, most STOCK 5.0's I've seen get 12.9/13.2 range.

On paper stats sell cars.

Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 2089190)

Paper stats are pretty much worthless numbers to satisfy some preconception on the part of a buyer. Some people need hp, some need light weight, others need skidpad, 0-60, mpg, etc...

Even speed is overrated if you're not enjoying yourself. Fastest does not always mean funnest, and most owners of performance cars won't track their cars, let alone push those limits on public streets (which is not where they should be tested anyway).

Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 2089190)

Paper stats are pretty much worthless numbers to satisfy some preconception on the part of a buyer. Some people need hp, some need light weight, others need skidpad, 0-60, mpg, etc...

Even speed is overrated if you're not enjoying yourself. Fastest does not always mean funnest, and most owners of performance cars won't track their cars, let alone push those limits on public streets (which is not where they should be tested anyway).

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 2089850)

You're kinda rehashing what im saying but putting more value on another part of what I'm saying than the other. Then devaluing on paper stats. I guarantee you, if the Z was a fun azz car that the top speed was 110mph and the quarter mile was achieved in 15.4 seconds? Would you have paid $40k for your Z in 2009/10??? lol YES or NO????

Most don't think a LOADED BRZ is worth $30k. But @ 25k it would be better priced. Do you think its because its on paper stats don't add up to other $30k cars or... Because it's not fun enough to drive @ the 30k price point. Reviewers say its the most fun car since the porsche 911.

I think most don't like the $30k price based on comparable cars in the price range. Those comparos come from on paper stats... Sorry but its true.