Why do people love the Ford Focus so much

Originally Posted by cossie1600

You are right ride is subjective. Let's not get into that as it will just be a pissing contest. Let's go back to what I said in the first post. I said the Focus rides almost as bad as the Z. We both know how both car handles. If a regular Focus rides only slightly better than the Z, what does that say about the Focus' ride? Do you honestly think the Z rides like a C class? Would you feel better if I say "Focus rides slightly better than the Z"? Does that help you and couple others beat off faster?

BRZ has 200HP. If you think it is enough, more power to you. Given the hype it's been getting, you would have thought they just dropped a 3.8L 911 motor in there. What difference does it make to wait three months or twelve months? Horsepower growing out of trees now?

My C6 Corvette had a $56K MSRP, I only got it for $45K. Yeah I didn't get much discount on it. If you want a good deal, look on the Corvette forum. Dealers are constantly offering them for 5-10K below sticker.

RX-8 has fuel starve? That is new as I am not sure how the car dominated CS for years with 1/8 to 1/4 of a tank. If you read the owner's manual of the RX-8, you will see Mazda tells you specifically that the rotary engine is DESIGNED to burn oil. That is just the way the motors are built. Is that truly a problem or just ignorant owners? Also my RX-8 had a sticker of about $26K, it came with 232HP in 2007. The BRZ has what, 200HP with a sticker around the same? Since it is down 32HP, how is it not overrated? Are you contradicting yourself now?

I am just letting you know that GT3 rides slightly better than the 370. There was no malice or anything behind it. I just know that from my time with it.

My RX-8 didn't have run flat new, Corvette did have the Goodyear Run Flat.

I definitely don't have good comebacks given I have had or driven the cars mentioned. Matter of fact, I autox and track all of them with some firm data on them. Would that help you better than magazine stats that you love?

Btw, nothing against the Z or ST Focus as I don't know how that car drives or what it has. I don't consider them the same as a $16-20K Focus, just like how EVO is different than the regular Lancer. My original dig was at the Focus and the reviewers who love them. I am not sure how it got from regular Focus to Focus ST?



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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

1.Why are you even comparing a C-class to a Z? You shouldn't even be expecting a ride comparison as they are two toally different driving concepts.

2. The BRZ is a good car but has already been outclassed by the older miata and loses around the track to the gencoupe. The new miata will most likely be coming next year and will be even lighter. Talks of FI are circulating too... Sot the only thing i see the brz having an advantage in is being a true coupe hardtop and 4 seats.
3. Rx8 costs as much as a brz and it gains it by 32hp. It's other comp, gencoupe 2.0 kills it by 74hp. Its other comp, the miata is underpowered by 42hp yet is a better handler. Want to talk about hype? I give you the toyobaru. The ricers dream. Now don't get me wrong. I would DD that car in a heartbeat. But corporate hype is giving it a name and it hasnt eclipsed any comp. At least in the first year, the Z was killing stangs and GTO's and the 2010 camaro SS tune was not as good so the Z was keeping up.
4. You drive 997's on trac ks all the time? Good for you. I can only afford to be on one maybe 3x a year if im fortunate enough to. But remember a bunch of modded cars on a track isn't the end all be all of opinions when comparing DD's.

Anyway, you are entitled to your opinion. But i don't know why you are so perplexed by opposing opinions. My experience with the focus was it gave just enough firmness to feel sporty. It's not a benchmark car but its good,
As far as why we are talking about the ST? It's the focus submodel of interest... Besides weren't you the one who whined about "Do you like it so much cuz it comes in turbo?" It's a thread, its how shyt is discussed. You don't like it? It's your thread... Close it. Anyway im outta here. I shoulda known better to come into one of your threads.

Originally Posted by cossie1600

I simply used the Z as a reference in my first post! The Focus rides not much softer than the Z and it doesn't handle anywhere like a sports car. Is it a good thing to ride similar like the Z? Of course not, well unless you think the Z rides like a Mercedes. I am not sure why you take so much offense to it, I was knocking the Focus, not the Z.

Tell me once the turbo hits on the BRZ...

I did two sessions in a GT3. I got as much as I need out of it. It's too expensive for me to track like you said.

I am still kind of puzzled at how a Focus bashing turned into Z bashing? I just purely want to bring up the crappy Ford Focus I rented at work last week. I had high expectations for it given all the hypes that the magazine gave it, yet I had nothing but headache with that car. I moved onto a Subaru Legacy this week, it's better but still $hitty

Originally Posted by mjd77

This whole post just reinforces my feeling that once you have a sports car (no matter which one it is), you get spoiled mighty fast and after that, driving anything that is not a sports car pretty much feels like crap. It's mighty tough to downgrade.

Originally Posted by mjd77

This whole post just reinforces my feeling that once you have a sports car (no matter which one it is), you get spoiled mighty fast and after that, driving anything that is not a sports car pretty much feels like crap. It's mighty tough to downgrade.

Originally Posted by cossie1600

I don't get it. I rented one this past week. The car is complete garbage. While the interior is decent, the car is small. It rides almost as bad as the Z and it is noisy. Is this how 16k cars are now?

Originally Posted by asdfsammich

I don't know, I suppose folks can employ context, like you're doing in your post, and note that sports cars and passenger cars are apples/oranges, and not get stuck in all sorts of crazy logic like OP does.
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Originally Posted by cossie1600

I still don't get how I am comparing apples and oranges when there was no comparison at all? I simply reference the Focus's ride to the Z's ride. Some people seem to take offense with the fact that I said the Z rides bad. Everyone knows the Z is a sports car, bad ride is part of the game. The regular Focus is not meant to be a sports car and it doesn't handle like one. If it rides like the Z, the problem is with Ford.

Originally Posted by cossie1600

I still don't get how I am comparing apples and oranges when there was no comparison at all? I simply reference the Focus's ride to the Z's ride. Some people seem to take offense with the fact that I said the Z rides bad. Everyone knows the Z is a sports car, bad ride is part of the game. The regular Focus is not meant to be a sports car and it doesn't handle like one. If it rides like the Z, the problem is with Ford.

Originally Posted by Mike

Don't take it the wrong way, but I think its because most of the threads you start complain about things, especially all the faults of the Z.

Originally Posted by cossie1600

I simply used the Z as a reference in my first post! The Focus rides not much softer than the Z and it doesn't handle anywhere like a sports car. Is it a good thing to ride similar like the Z? Of course not, well unless you think the Z rides like a Mercedes. I am not sure why you take so much offense to it, I was knocking the Focus, not the Z.

Tell me once the turbo hits on the BRZ...

I did two sessions in a GT3. I got as much as I need out of it. It's too expensive for me to track like you said.

I am still kind of puzzled at how a Focus bashing turned into Z bashing? I just purely want to bring up the crappy Ford Focus I rented at work last week. I had high expectations for it given all the hypes that the magazine gave it, yet I had nothing but headache with that car. I moved onto a Subaru Legacy this week, it's better but still $hitty

Originally Posted by Cmike2780

I don't think you understand how a simile works. A simile is a figure of speech that directly compares two different things, usually by employing the words "like" or "as". When you "reference" you're comparing. In any case, this has gone way off topic. I don't even get the point of this thread to be honest with you. You should probably just close it.

Originally Posted by Mike

Don't take it the wrong way, but I think its because most of the threads you start complain about things, especially all the faults of the Z.

Originally Posted by cossie1600

It could be, but that was not the intention in this case.

No offense taken as I know you are not some fanboy.