Why do people love the Ford Focus so much

shadoquad

Honestly, the only difference I felt between the 29k ST and the 19k base Focus with a manual were the suspension setup and the brakes, which are both obviously superior in the ST. The ST is obviously faster in a straight line, but it didn't feel like it to me. The car lagged.

Could have just been the car I tested, but it didn't blow my mind with speed. MS3 is worse on gas, but it's also quite more engaging, in my opinion.

Lug

Might have been the car. Here's what COBB tuning found compared to the stock MS3.



note the difference in bottom end torque. They weigh the same so I don't see how the MS3 could be more responsive. Now with a stiffer frame, Ford can soften up the suspension and get the same performance stats with a smoother ride. As a matter of fact, this is similar to the chassis differences between the 350Z and the 370Z. The 370Z feels less harsh but still outperforms the 350Z on the real numbers.

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UNKNOWN_370

I'm sure it is probably the way you drove the car. We usually don't get to rip into a car unless we get solo test drives. Thank god I get those @ my nissan dealer and @ the bmw dealership.
The flipside is... I would also guess the Mazdaspeed would feel more powerful overall. Since the mazda is sucking up more gas and is probably not using as much high tech to keep fuel numbers up. It may have a more direct feel.

I'm pretty sure, due to Ford and mazda's relationship. The next gen mazdaspeed will be a beefed up ST mechanically. I would probably wait and see what the next gen 3 looks like and does before diving into the ST. But i love the ST in terms of looks. The next gen MS3(which should be coming out soon?) may be a better bang for buck though???

shadoquad

I doubt they'll drop the price, it'll probably be same bang for buck.

cossie1600

I already said the BRZ is overrated (post #29), way before your post about turbo BRZ (#34). Matter of fact, this is what I said about the Focus and the BRZ.

This is what you came back with in #34.

I replied with tell me when the BRZ turbo hits the market in post #47. Correct me if I am wrong, but I can't seem to find anything about me saying anything about BRZ turbo except the one reply. So is that referencing the future?

When?!?

Chevy Corvette. 420HP, about 3300lbs.
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Ford lost controlling interest in Mazda in 2008, the new Focus is on a different platform as the current Mazda 3 (which is based on the 2nd gen Focus).

Do some research if you are going to throw random stuff out.

UNKNOWN_370

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TROLL I know they are on seperate platforms, i'm talking engine & possibly transmission SHARED TECHNOLOGY not using each other chassis'.

Your post clearly states in bold. "Tell me once the turbo BRZ comes out". Genius. It's bolded and highlit for your trolling self. I don't have to tell you shyt about the future till its in the present. THHAAAT was my point. your opinons are moot. You're just a Z FORUM troll. Thats all.

lemon-fresh

Always good to fallback on name calling.

UNKNOWN_370

Name calling is insulting people. I'm just saying every response he has is trolled out. Period. You know very well my post said nothing of shared platforms. Yet he's bringing this whole do your research shyt. I dont remember ANYONE including myself bring up shared platforms. Troll Shyt.
But i will remove the anger part of my post.

cossie1600

Do I really have to reference your posts again?

To paraphrase

#29 I said Focus is overrated, almost like the BRZ in terms of hype.
#34 You said I can't benchmark it when all I said it was overrated. You mentioned something about give it 12 months of long term testing.
#45 I basically said what difference does it make if you compare the car now vs. 12 months from now. The car has 200HP as far as I know and HP don't grow out of trees.
#46 You replied with something along the lines of BRZ turbo is coming and went on about how it compares to Miata.
#47 I basically said tell me when the BRZ hits and skip over the topic as the post was never about the BRZ.
#64 You basically said the BRZ is overrated and you are reserving your judgment until the turbo comes out (which essentially is what I said all along). Somehow it ended up making me a fanboy?

Do you just make up things as you go? Didn't you say they don't discount Corvettes when I showed you you can get them for thousands below sticker? Mazda's developing their own SkyActive engines and Ford is doing their EcoBoost engines. How are they sharing engines? You seem to love benchracing a lot, please do your research before you start typing crap that people can challenge you on.

UNKNOWN_370

You're applying posts about upcoming cars and mixing them up with other convo's in other parts of the conversation. Most of these dont go hand in hand. You are using exerts to manipulate my words. Troll

That's exactly why you're a troll. Piece-fitting to make contradictory statements on shyt to make you look good. I cant believe you're spending that much time on that. Job? Woman? Nothing on Tv? Guess not?
Stating the future in competition and KNOWING the next miata will pose a higher power to weight ratio are two different things. I'm just saying the future holds serious comp for the BRZ. I'm saying mazda is not going to lose there position. Miata is still considered the better, more neutral sports car by reviewers standards. What the BRZ has over it is being a 2+2 coupe vs a 2 seater roadster... Your whole post is manipulative and garbage.
I didnt say they DONT DISCOUNT VETTES. I said as the model line-up gets higher, The discounts are harder to get. Here where i live now. Corvettes are a hot commodity in dealerships, while you can get a base cheap. The GS and Z06 are not as discounted well. i didnt NO discount. Just not as well as base models.
You in turn showed me a link from a forum of dealerships in the75% of which northern regions, pretty far from tx deep discounting vettes. But thats what trolls do, right...

So bitter and trollfull

lemon-fresh

cossie1600

once again, how am I comparing up and coming cars when I made no reference of it until you brought it up? I didn't even respond to your non sense except to tell you to bring it up when or if the car comes out.

I don't recall saying anything about the miata (mx-5 btw). I think it was you who brought it up.

I suggest you go on the Corvette forums and check the prices out yourself before more non sense.

yup I am a troll who happened to own or owned a bunch of cars. I don't need to bench race it.