Truth is, the Z will need $35k or more in mods to run times like that. The question is... Who's willing to pay it? I been doing research on it cuz i want to go FI. I'm quickly giving up hope. Good news is. I have nearly 10k saved for a turbo. Maybe i will just keep saving for the future FI Z or other car later and put premium NA mods on the Z, then pass it to my wife when i get the new turbo'd next gen car.

The flipside is... once the Z is attainable for 22k or less used? YOU WILL SEE 11 SECOND Z's. Cost of ownership plus cost of going FI sways a lot of people. People are boosting the BRZ cuz it can be had for 26k and the cars are new so they are getting sponsor discounts. We and mitsu see the highest prices in mods for a non premium brand.

Yea those are damn good numbers. Yea i wanna see the Z run those numbers. But Impressive? no. We have already seen a car do this on stock motor called a honda S2000 which will do one better. Stock block S2000 run a 9.5@147 31PSI full weight.

Lets see a CUSTOMER pull those numbers off a regular guy from the forum and not a shop. think how many hours it took to get the car to run those numbers. HOURS SPENT IS MONEY SPENT! but when your a shop its free. Take a FI Z today from this forum put a amazing driver in the Z and im sure that we will see good numbers to. a black nismo trapped 127 MPH put a better driver in that same Nismo and lets see what it can do. like the video said that car was running a what 12.3? then they switched drivers and it ran a 11.3? HA get my point?

Now whats impressive is a 2011 GT mustang running a 10.97 @124 MPH NA
Whats really impressive.
Jotech took a 8th gen civic a ALL MOTOR and push 321 whp 226 tq out a 4 banger!!!! and then ran a 11.71 @ 117 down the track! Have yet to see a Z run NA numbers like that but i dont see anyone posting anything about that. oh wait thats because its not a FRS or BRZ.

It just cost way to much to make the Z go REALLY FAST (10's) aftermarket parts for our car are so expensive. I.E a GTR Greddy turno kit is 10K a greddy Z turbo kit is 8,500! not so much less. 10k in aftermarket Z parts really get you know where. Z parts a really great from the factory. Which means it hurts tuning potential. Z has good headers, Heads, intake, intake manifold, and you cant get a true aggressive tune because VVel. the V6 camaro has small horrible headers from factory. they replaced them with BBk full length headers and they got 33 RWHP gains and 30 foot pounds of torque over stock because parts from factory suck in the camaro. No one explores the potential of the Z. We have a great product from JUN... they made Cams and no one has them in their car.
So my point is that the Z is so good that it hurts :( VVEl not cracked hurts our car.
Throttle body, A real proper Intake manifold, Cams, Ported polished heads, Stoker kit and a real tune!!!! with what we already have on the market im a believer that our Z would not only reach 400 RWHP but 400+.

All im saying is gabe3d who had a built VQ35DE G35 got 350 HP and 330 TQ on a DE!!! ok done venting

I just think its funny how much attention this car got from the aftermarket community so fast and the 370z STILL is being forgotten . It's no question the z could run 10,s on stock block with race gas or e85. I don't know why that is being argued. I was planning on running E85 and 16psi before I sold my 370. That was a over a yr ago and I'm still in the top 5 fastests 1/4 times. I can't believe no one has taken the z to the next step yet.

You have to take in to account the MSRP of the two cars. Most young people cant afford a Z which is why the Genesis Coupe and now BR FR is so popular in the aftermarket world. I have no joke already seen more BR's and FR's then Z's on the island.

Ya , I think that and the fact the the motor needs to be removed to install the tt kit probably doest help either with that added cost. :shakes head:

1. marketing
2. Affordable segment

Its going to sell more units. Much more then a Z. If you were in the aftermarket business (a highly competitive one at that), you will develop for your market.

If you were to specialize in say a low volume car like the Z34, you will price your product to recoup costs. Ala 'BMW/Porsche turbo kits are so expensive'.

Can I get a 'duh' from the congregation?. :D

Small flat 4 is going to be easier to package a FI system then a tight V6, isn't it? its going to be less time and money to get going. Does this really surprise anyone?

Doesn't meant the Z is bad...I have a big honkin' V6 with torque and a 7yr warranty. I also have in the past put a well matched turbo on a little 4 banger and ran it 100K as a street car with no rebuild (it was a very stout OEM block from the 80's...go mazda)

With a BRZ, I wouldn't want to spend 27K on a new car to blow the warranty on a turbo kit (say 36K invested) only to not know the long term ramifications of running say 12 PSI on pump gas on a new engine with no proven track record.

Kudos to the early adopters who are willing to take those risks and have 5-8K for a new long block or rebuild budgeted. I think its very interesting from an engineering standpoint to see how far you can push the stock block.

I just don't look at it as overwhelming evidence of how good the stock block is, nor that its a slam dunk these kits are going to run 100K with no engine issues. No hate...just well placed caution.

- b

Yes it makes life 543095834095830 times easier to remove the engine to install a TT kit but it is not needed. There are several people on this forum who have done the install with the motor in place.

If ANY 4 or even 6 cylinder stock N/A car can run 30 pounds for 100k I'd be impressed. There is always a level of uncertainty in the tuning world, if there wasn't then we'd all be twin turbo cuz YOLO.

Just FYI, but 30 psi with a t25 is not the same as 30 PSI on a GT35R.... In all honesty argueing over PSI just shows you know very little about forced induction.... Not to be a **** but CFM is what it is about.

Here are my concerns:

1: Dude wearing a motec shirt??? Was it viscotti tuned or Motec? If it was motec then there is alot of $$$$ being invested into this, not to discredit viscotti but I have no idea who you are but I do know who Motec is. Havent looked into the Z being tuned with Motec since I am not near that yet, but at the same time havent seen anyone on here using it either. Wish they did have something for the Z and if they do you will be who I am going with.

2. What type of exhaust manifold was built? What needed to be done to make it fit? Are there other manifold options that could possible make the same power without as many modifications or better yet other options that might be more efficient?

3: What type of turbo? Makes a big difference, ie: was it at the smaller faster spooling one that was at it limits or was it a bigger one with room to grow? What is the max size turbo with that manifold going to fit in the bay?

4: Upgraded fuel pump and injectors I am assuming due to running E85? You can right off the get go without calculating the fuel inflow being almost twice as high. Kills you MPG drastically and not everyone can get their hands on E85. Not saying you cant run meth, but come on how far past voiding the warranty do you want to get???? Again same can be done in the Z and not have to push the motor as hard to get the same numbers.....

5: I know that isnt the stock clutch....

6: What are they considering just bolt ons???

The way I look at it, it is going to be at least 2-3 years before buying a FRS/BRZ is going to be worth while for the fun factor and even then modding it, it is going to put you in the price range of a low milage used Z with the same numbers.

I mean you can take the stock B18b in my integra in the garage and get 300whp without any internals and with a spot on tune drive for a long time and not have any issues? From 300whp to 350ish all you need is ARP head studs. Over the 350ish wall you need to start looking at forged pistons and rods. Getting into the 450whp area and above you need to look at sleeving....

Still though, I could drop around $8k at speedfactory down street and get a street stalker that will pretty much blow the doors off anything. I mean those guys just clipped IIRC a 8.33 or something close....Mind you it took alot more than $8k to get that, but, one of my employees has a type-r that she bought from someone that was built by them that was putting down ~430whp and was in the low 11's with an inexperienced driver, her BF, not that he is a bad driver, but he not a true race car driver in the purest form...

I didnt buy the Z hell bent on being the fastest in town and I think most can agree. The people that buy the new z's bought them because they are already more than adaquate for around town, look damn good doing it too, and can more than hold their own against more exspensive and higher WHP cars. The heritage is another big one.

If I bought the FRS it would be a couple years old and come into it knowing it is a slow turd that looks semi fast and is going to need some serious work to make it even live up to its looks. But as we all know once you start doing some serious building, like what this FRS/BRZ has done to it, its reliabilty starts to greatly deminish....

In human years this car is still sucking on it moms teats. Let it make it even 20k miles in my hands and I would be semi impressed.... There is still so much to be discovered about this car, THAT is what is keeping all of us watching for several years to come.... Only time will bring these cars fate.

Here is a headscratcher:

There are all motor hondas in the low 10's.... Make that FRS/BRZ do that....

And last but not least that track looked pretty much closed to the public. That is not cheap and neither is the man hours that it took to make that car do that. That is not some simple drop the car off and pick it back up and it is in the low 11's now. Gimmie a break. Just marketing PR to drive up aftermarket sales only to ride on the huge amount of PR that ToyaBaru has already invested.

I have looked into renting billboards around town so I kinda can guess what this one on the side of the HWY is costing Scion right now. I bet easily close to $200k for a month and that is just in my area. No telling how many more if I drive north.

Last but not least I have seen the vid where the tranny maxs out in the 150mph range or something. What are they going to do for gearing??? I mean this was built for the 1/4 not out on a long fast road course. (I dont condone street racing in anyform)

The Z gets to 150mph with no issues and some, plus once at limiter there is more to go gearing wise with more WHP.

I would be pissed if this is what my $25k bought:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2e6L2v4Tm0

I mean seriously , this is the sports car this site is argueing over.... The z could do better driving head on into gale force winds.

30? Wasn't the link about a 20 PSI build that wasn't a drag queen, i.e. some street ability but likely that snail has an A/R sized near its thermal limits but I have no idea about that mapping, just talking basic theory here.

As pointed out, rather then talk about PSI its more a question of relative power levels (peak torque which is where things go boom from pushing the limits of a stock rod etc...).

So we have a car that is pushing what, over 3x wheel torque from stock form? That's quite a lot. So we need an engine over built from the factory. A good over build would see say 2x increase in a reliable form (think older 2.0 DSM, Older 2.0 Subaru, Supra, Mazda B6/B8 to name just a few)

This is uncharted waters for a NA subaru engine. Anyone running over say 10lbs best have a good AAA account :)

Finally, not trying to hate on people who are excited to go in a strait line. Saw many a person get wood over running 13's in a hondas back in the 90's when my preference was to go around tracks fast. Wanna go fast in a strait line? Go get a Mustang or small block chevy which is a reliable package to stomp on 40K modified Toybarus. Sure you will have to go aftermarket for some gold chains and Just For Men mustache coloring kit but those are small expenses to pay for those fast drag slips.

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I don't care if it's 30psi on a leafblower I wanna see anything run high boost for 100k miles, that is not the standard for judging whether a car has potential or not unless you're broke and can only afford one car to commute three hours a day in, in which case you're asking for it.

Also why are people asking to see this car do the same naturally aspirated? Is it one of those "take the turbo off and then we'll race" deals? Obviously the car's N/A runs will be listed differently and then we can compare the Z's numbers to it and argue about price and worth.

Christ you would think people who have any interest in cars would be happy that the affordable sport car wars are back, the first thing I did was put this video on Facebook.

The boxer motor inthe FRS. It has a huge aftermarket.

But it hasn't been around since the 90s like you claimed.

two cars/one engine.

hawt.