Yea, also you don't have to slap a turbo kit on the Z to have fun, it has decent power with regular bolt ons.

:iagree: that's pretty great for just a year on the market!!!

Very impressive :tup:

Actually a couple years down the road, I wouldn't mind buying a used FRS/BRZ and making it into a nice track toy. Boost would only make it 100x more fun :)

The amount of hype surrounding this car is probably why it's been so popular to mod.. and so quickly. I would even compare it to the 350Z when itr was introduced. It's the new kid in school, full of potential. The BRZ/FRS is an interesting car because it hits the basics of a sports car really well and already addresses the really difficult stuff out of the box. The main one being weight reduction. Getting the Z to the same weight as a BRZ/FRS is next to impossible. Everything outside of the chassis is the "easy" part. It also seemed like the motor had the basis for future forced induction in mind from what I've read. I don't think the VQ37 shared that notion.

:iagree: But there wasn't this much buzz around the 370Z in 2008/09. Everyone was kind of holding back because of the economic collapse thing. A lot of shops had to shut their doors around that time. It's only now that we're starting to see more shops open again ...so of course they'll pick the car a lot of people are talking about to bring in business. 4 years also isn't really that long a time span. A lot of tuners also skip the Z altogether and play with it's big brother, the GT-R for pure shock value. Something like a GT-R with an Alpha 12 package, blows away pretty much anything you throw at it. Being overshadowed is primarily why the Z has seen less mega horsepower progress in the mod department than what we would like. THe tuners rationale is, why buy a Nissan that needs a lot of work reaching the low 11's when another member of the family can do that out of the box.

That is extremely impressive.

What was even more impressive was the test that Edmunds did. All they changed were rims and tires (lighter and wider) and the car picked up to 1.0g on the skidpad and over 70mph through the slalom. Those are 370z #'s with just a wheel change!

Yes, i'm hating on my own car. Sorry. I want a BRZ real bad right now and If I wasn't getting married in a year, I'd trade the Z in for one.

I'm not hating on my Z at all. The Z is a fast and fun car. But this news means that the toyobaru has great tuning potential!!!

You would trade your 11 Z for a BRZ. Really?

The motor has been out since the 90s and has a huge after market.

I am sure insurance is much cheaper too!

Yay a BRZ is actually making some power and turning in good times, that still wont make me want to trade my Z in for it. Do a nice FI kit on a Z and some slicks and you will hit even better times than that BRZ turned in, so I dont know why everyone is getting their panties in a bunch over this.







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I still think it's a bit of a downgrade with the current offering. This BRZ still has a ton of unknowns, especially how much the stock motor can take without having to buy a new one at 5k miles. Buying an NA BRZ involves a whole lot of time experimenting just to get it to the same level Z and you pretty much throw the warranty out the window. An STi Version would be more reasonable, but you're looking at something that will likely cost the same if/when they bring it to market. At that point, the Z will be overdue for an refresh from Nissan.

There's Big difference between the VQ engines from the 90's and the current offering. It shares the basic architecture, but that's pretty much where it ends. You could even argue that the VR38DETT shares the same architecture.

I'm in a weird mood today. Don't mind me! :ughdance:


I'm probably trading in my Z next year for something more practical to me. Probably a small SUV. When I come back into the market for a tuning car, I more than likely will not be getting a Z. It is a great and wonderful car, but hard to work on and very expensive to get HP out of. Modified evo's, sti's, and now BRZ's are putting up better numbers and easier to deal with.

If an STI version of the BRZ does come out, you bet your butt the Z will be traded in for one.

wat?

I'm guessing he thinks it the 2.5 Subby has been using since well the 90's

I thought he was talking about the VQ. Either way...

Finally, at least one person that gets it. This post is just all sorts of bias.

First you run 20 pounds. A Z with 20 pounds would probably be WELL into the NINES. It would smoke this POS Toyota. Remember the suspension is designed by the guys that make CAMRY suspesnsion. What do you expect to happen? You can even hear the engine breaking as it does the track. I bet it doesn't even last for many passes. I have a finely tuned ear from years of tuning cars and I can hear that it is too much boost.
Plus the car is running E85. That is like nitrous for subarus. You woulnd't compare a NOS powered Z to a NON-ASPIRATED Subaru, why would you do the reverse.

RED6SPD is right...you guys are just HATERS!!!!!!!!!

LOL! I think its awesome what they are doing with the little subby and its things like this that make the aftermarket for the cars a much better place. I hope they hit 10's that would be sick. But as mentioned before don't come on here saying "oh boy look the Z cant do that".

I'm not hating on the Z or saying it will never do that speed, but it hasn't yet. I'd love to see it, though. :tup:

True, anything over 12lbs will probably make the Z implode without an overhaul of the engine with complete forged internals... But is the scion/brz car on a forged or stock engine? And how many 20psi passes will it hold till it busts??? Thats the real question. How long has the brz been running this kinda boost?

I don't think a single person here is a "hater", they just want to know why no one has done the same thing with a Z yet, and questioning if it is possible.

Not worshipping the ground your car drives on isn't "hating" and that's the attitude that can give the Z a bad name. Although from what I read of yours from another topic, I doubt you'll understand anything I'm saying. You took something remarkably simple and turned into an attack on the Z when it wasn't even the car in question. (See: 2014 wrx topic)

Seriously, think before you post.

Truth is, the Z will need $35k or more in mods to run times like that. The question is... Who's willing to pay it? I been doing research on it cuz i want to go FI. I'm quickly giving up hope. Good news is. I have nearly 10k saved for a turbo. Maybe i will just keep saving for the future FI Z or other car later and put premium NA mods on the Z, then pass it to my wife when i get the new turbo'd next gen car.

The flipside is... once the Z is attainable for 22k or less used? YOU WILL SEE 11 SECOND Z's. Cost of ownership plus cost of going FI sways a lot of people. People are boosting the BRZ cuz it can be had for 26k and the cars are new so they are getting sponsor discounts. We and mitsu see the highest prices in mods for a non premium brand.

Yea those are damn good numbers. Yea i wanna see the Z run those numbers. But Impressive? no. We have already seen a car do this on stock motor called a honda S2000 which will do one better. Stock block S2000 run a 9.5@147 31PSI full weight.

Lets see a CUSTOMER pull those numbers off a regular guy from the forum and not a shop. think how many hours it took to get the car to run those numbers. HOURS SPENT IS MONEY SPENT! but when your a shop its free. Take a FI Z today from this forum put a amazing driver in the Z and im sure that we will see good numbers to. a black nismo trapped 127 MPH put a better driver in that same Nismo and lets see what it can do. like the video said that car was running a what 12.3? then they switched drivers and it ran a 11.3? HA get my point?

Now whats impressive is a 2011 GT mustang running a 10.97 @124 MPH NA
Whats really impressive.
Jotech took a 8th gen civic a ALL MOTOR and push 321 whp 226 tq out a 4 banger!!!! and then ran a 11.71 @ 117 down the track! Have yet to see a Z run NA numbers like that but i dont see anyone posting anything about that. oh wait thats because its not a FRS or BRZ.

It just cost way to much to make the Z go REALLY FAST (10's) aftermarket parts for our car are so expensive. I.E a GTR Greddy turno kit is 10K a greddy Z turbo kit is 8,500! not so much less. 10k in aftermarket Z parts really get you know where. Z parts a really great from the factory. Which means it hurts tuning potential. Z has good headers, Heads, intake, intake manifold, and you cant get a true aggressive tune because VVel. the V6 camaro has small horrible headers from factory. they replaced them with BBk full length headers and they got 33 RWHP gains and 30 foot pounds of torque over stock because parts from factory suck in the camaro. No one explores the potential of the Z. We have a great product from JUN... they made Cams and no one has them in their car.
So my point is that the Z is so good that it hurts :( VVEl not cracked hurts our car.
Throttle body, A real proper Intake manifold, Cams, Ported polished heads, Stoker kit and a real tune!!!! with what we already have on the market im a believer that our Z would not only reach 400 RWHP but 400+.

All im saying is gabe3d who had a built VQ35DE G35 got 350 HP and 330 TQ on a DE!!! ok done venting

I just think its funny how much attention this car got from the aftermarket community so fast and the 370z STILL is being forgotten . It's no question the z could run 10,s on stock block with race gas or e85. I don't know why that is being argued. I was planning on running E85 and 16psi before I sold my 370. That was a over a yr ago and I'm still in the top 5 fastests 1/4 times. I can't believe no one has taken the z to the next step yet.

You have to take in to account the MSRP of the two cars. Most young people cant afford a Z which is why the Genesis Coupe and now BR FR is so popular in the aftermarket world. I have no joke already seen more BR's and FR's then Z's on the island.

Ya , I think that and the fact the the motor needs to be removed to install the tt kit probably doest help either with that added cost. :shakes head:

1. marketing
2. Affordable segment

Its going to sell more units. Much more then a Z. If you were in the aftermarket business (a highly competitive one at that), you will develop for your market.

If you were to specialize in say a low volume car like the Z34, you will price your product to recoup costs. Ala 'BMW/Porsche turbo kits are so expensive'.

Can I get a 'duh' from the congregation?. :D

Small flat 4 is going to be easier to package a FI system then a tight V6, isn't it? its going to be less time and money to get going. Does this really surprise anyone?

Doesn't meant the Z is bad...I have a big honkin' V6 with torque and a 7yr warranty. I also have in the past put a well matched turbo on a little 4 banger and ran it 100K as a street car with no rebuild (it was a very stout OEM block from the 80's...go mazda)

With a BRZ, I wouldn't want to spend 27K on a new car to blow the warranty on a turbo kit (say 36K invested) only to not know the long term ramifications of running say 12 PSI on pump gas on a new engine with no proven track record.

Kudos to the early adopters who are willing to take those risks and have 5-8K for a new long block or rebuild budgeted. I think its very interesting from an engineering standpoint to see how far you can push the stock block.

I just don't look at it as overwhelming evidence of how good the stock block is, nor that its a slam dunk these kits are going to run 100K with no engine issues. No hate...just well placed caution.

- b

Yes it makes life 543095834095830 times easier to remove the engine to install a TT kit but it is not needed. There are several people on this forum who have done the install with the motor in place.

If ANY 4 or even 6 cylinder stock N/A car can run 30 pounds for 100k I'd be impressed. There is always a level of uncertainty in the tuning world, if there wasn't then we'd all be twin turbo cuz YOLO.

Just FYI, but 30 psi with a t25 is not the same as 30 PSI on a GT35R.... In all honesty argueing over PSI just shows you know very little about forced induction.... Not to be a **** but CFM is what it is about.

Here are my concerns:

1: Dude wearing a motec shirt??? Was it viscotti tuned or Motec? If it was motec then there is alot of $$$$ being invested into this, not to discredit viscotti but I have no idea who you are but I do know who Motec is. Havent looked into the Z being tuned with Motec since I am not near that yet, but at the same time havent seen anyone on here using it either. Wish they did have something for the Z and if they do you will be who I am going with.

2. What type of exhaust manifold was built? What needed to be done to make it fit? Are there other manifold options that could possible make the same power without as many modifications or better yet other options that might be more efficient?

3: What type of turbo? Makes a big difference, ie: was it at the smaller faster spooling one that was at it limits or was it a bigger one with room to grow? What is the max size turbo with that manifold going to fit in the bay?

4: Upgraded fuel pump and injectors I am assuming due to running E85? You can right off the get go without calculating the fuel inflow being almost twice as high. Kills you MPG drastically and not everyone can get their hands on E85. Not saying you cant run meth, but come on how far past voiding the warranty do you want to get???? Again same can be done in the Z and not have to push the motor as hard to get the same numbers.....

5: I know that isnt the stock clutch....

6: What are they considering just bolt ons???

The way I look at it, it is going to be at least 2-3 years before buying a FRS/BRZ is going to be worth while for the fun factor and even then modding it, it is going to put you in the price range of a low milage used Z with the same numbers.

I mean you can take the stock B18b in my integra in the garage and get 300whp without any internals and with a spot on tune drive for a long time and not have any issues? From 300whp to 350ish all you need is ARP head studs. Over the 350ish wall you need to start looking at forged pistons and rods. Getting into the 450whp area and above you need to look at sleeving....

Still though, I could drop around $8k at speedfactory down street and get a street stalker that will pretty much blow the doors off anything. I mean those guys just clipped IIRC a 8.33 or something close....Mind you it took alot more than $8k to get that, but, one of my employees has a type-r that she bought from someone that was built by them that was putting down ~430whp and was in the low 11's with an inexperienced driver, her BF, not that he is a bad driver, but he not a true race car driver in the purest form...

I didnt buy the Z hell bent on being the fastest in town and I think most can agree. The people that buy the new z's bought them because they are already more than adaquate for around town, look damn good doing it too, and can more than hold their own against more exspensive and higher WHP cars. The heritage is another big one.

If I bought the FRS it would be a couple years old and come into it knowing it is a slow turd that looks semi fast and is going to need some serious work to make it even live up to its looks. But as we all know once you start doing some serious building, like what this FRS/BRZ has done to it, its reliabilty starts to greatly deminish....

In human years this car is still sucking on it moms teats. Let it make it even 20k miles in my hands and I would be semi impressed.... There is still so much to be discovered about this car, THAT is what is keeping all of us watching for several years to come.... Only time will bring these cars fate.

Here is a headscratcher:

There are all motor hondas in the low 10's.... Make that FRS/BRZ do that....

And last but not least that track looked pretty much closed to the public. That is not cheap and neither is the man hours that it took to make that car do that. That is not some simple drop the car off and pick it back up and it is in the low 11's now. Gimmie a break. Just marketing PR to drive up aftermarket sales only to ride on the huge amount of PR that ToyaBaru has already invested.

I have looked into renting billboards around town so I kinda can guess what this one on the side of the HWY is costing Scion right now. I bet easily close to $200k for a month and that is just in my area. No telling how many more if I drive north.

Last but not least I have seen the vid where the tranny maxs out in the 150mph range or something. What are they going to do for gearing??? I mean this was built for the 1/4 not out on a long fast road course. (I dont condone street racing in anyform)

The Z gets to 150mph with no issues and some, plus once at limiter there is more to go gearing wise with more WHP.

I would be pissed if this is what my $25k bought:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2e6L2v4Tm0

I mean seriously , this is the sports car this site is argueing over.... The z could do better driving head on into gale force winds.

30? Wasn't the link about a 20 PSI build that wasn't a drag queen, i.e. some street ability but likely that snail has an A/R sized near its thermal limits but I have no idea about that mapping, just talking basic theory here.

As pointed out, rather then talk about PSI its more a question of relative power levels (peak torque which is where things go boom from pushing the limits of a stock rod etc...).

So we have a car that is pushing what, over 3x wheel torque from stock form? That's quite a lot. So we need an engine over built from the factory. A good over build would see say 2x increase in a reliable form (think older 2.0 DSM, Older 2.0 Subaru, Supra, Mazda B6/B8 to name just a few)

This is uncharted waters for a NA subaru engine. Anyone running over say 10lbs best have a good AAA account :)

Finally, not trying to hate on people who are excited to go in a strait line. Saw many a person get wood over running 13's in a hondas back in the 90's when my preference was to go around tracks fast. Wanna go fast in a strait line? Go get a Mustang or small block chevy which is a reliable package to stomp on 40K modified Toybarus. Sure you will have to go aftermarket for some gold chains and Just For Men mustache coloring kit but those are small expenses to pay for those fast drag slips.

- b

I don't care if it's 30psi on a leafblower I wanna see anything run high boost for 100k miles, that is not the standard for judging whether a car has potential or not unless you're broke and can only afford one car to commute three hours a day in, in which case you're asking for it.

Also why are people asking to see this car do the same naturally aspirated? Is it one of those "take the turbo off and then we'll race" deals? Obviously the car's N/A runs will be listed differently and then we can compare the Z's numbers to it and argue about price and worth.

Christ you would think people who have any interest in cars would be happy that the affordable sport car wars are back, the first thing I did was put this video on Facebook.

The boxer motor inthe FRS. It has a huge aftermarket.

But it hasn't been around since the 90s like you claimed.

two cars/one engine.

hawt.

The Subaru EJ engine is a series of automotive engines manufactured by Subaru and introduced in 1989, intended to succeed the previous Subaru EA engine. The EJ series is the mainstay of Subaru's engine line, with all engines of this series being 16-valve flat-4 horizontal, with configurations available for single-, or double-overhead camshaft arrangements (SOHC or DOHC). Naturally aspirated and turbocharged versions are available, ranging from 96 to 320 horsepower. These engines are commonly used in light aircraft, kit cars and engine swaps into air-cooled Volkswagens, but it's also popular as a swap into the wasserboxer engined Volkswagen Type 2. Primary engineering on the EJ series was done by Masayuki Kodama, Takemasa Yamada and Shuji Sawafuji of Fuji Heavy Industries, Subaru's parent company.

Please explain to me why you think this?

Here's link to a little reading material:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subaru_EJ_engine

Because this car has an FA20, not an EJ. My WRX has an EJ.

The FA was based off the FB, but even then, completely different.


Next?

@Compdoc: Apply cold water to the affected area.

We removed the front cat and lowered the boost to 18PSI - We are out of MAF so didn't pull it all the way.

Going SD very soon.

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