What do you think about the scion frs

Zaggeron

Yes. Even though the roof is lower and you are physically lower to the ground in the BRZ/FRS, the seating position is more elevated -- it's more or less inbetween how I sit in the Z and my old Mazda 3. It's OK, but it will take some getting used to. The seats are comfortable though and the wheel telescopes.

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2010 Platinum Graphite 370z Roadster:Touring/Sport
2013 Subaru BRZ Limited

crazyyankfan

Btw, I had to ask. Since you actually own both cars, is it true the BRZ handles better than the Z? Or it just feels different?

Zaggeron

It's too early too tell since I'm still in break-in and have yet to go above 4k. My suspicion is that the BRZ will excel in low speed maneuvering -- it really does have a go-cart feel to the handling. But it likely won't inspire confidence in high speed cornering -- better tires than the OEM Michelin's will help here. In fact, in the Road and Track I just got they did a comparison by switching out a couple of different brands of Dunlop's -- one set stock size one set a bit wider (225) with 18" wheels. Their skidpad test went from .89g stock to around .94 - .96.

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2010 Platinum Graphite 370z Roadster:Touring/Sport
2013 Subaru BRZ Limited

shadoquad

That's around the same level of grip as a Z.

Zaggeron

Don't quote me on it yet. I'll verify the figures when I get home -- the article is not online yet.

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2010 Platinum Graphite 370z Roadster:Touring/Sport
2013 Subaru BRZ Limited

Zaggeron

Yep. On the Dunlop Star Spec 215/45-17 87W it got .94g -- up from stock .89 on the Michelin Primacy with the same specs.

When they went up a size and a couple of widths (Dunlop Star Spec 235/40-18-91W), it slowed the car down a bit on the track, but the skidpad went up to .96. I think that's just too big for the car ... not worth the minimal increase in grip.

Of course, this is just one magazine's test so take it with a grain of salt, but it looks pretty clear you can wring some additional performance out of slightly stickier than stock tires -- the Dunlop's were cheaper than OEM too.

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2010 Platinum Graphite 370z Roadster:Touring/Sport
2013 Subaru BRZ Limited

crazyyankfan

At low speed (low rpm as well), the Z does feel a bit "heavy". My sense is the 86 would feel "faster" when accelerating cuz it's light. For some reason (I know it's actually fast), the Z doesn't really give me that "busting out" kinda feel even when I push it hard. Even my mom's VW Tiguan "feels" faster. Maybe cuz the grip and weight of the Z that make it more steady.

shadoquad

Having driven both, the frs felt MUCH slower when accelerating.

Zaggeron

Roger that. No comparison. Now I haven't been able to wind it out yet, but I definitely feel the lack of torque at a stop light at the bottom of a hill.

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2010 Platinum Graphite 370z Roadster:Touring/Sport
2013 Subaru BRZ Limited

crazyyankfan

I don't feel much of torque <3000 rpm from the Z accelerating from a stop light either. Or maybe I'm just used to it and got spoiled.

Zaggeron

I love my Z, but it's no fun in my commute with the traffic in Austin. Plus, I've got the 'vert and I don't like to leave my car out in the sun all day.

About halfway through the first tank of gas in the BRZ and I'm getting 26.6 MPG with the air conditioning on full -- around 100 degrees today. This is pretty damn close to the 28.x I got with the Mazda with the air on.

One break-in period is over, it might be a different story though .. hehe

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2010 Platinum Graphite 370z Roadster:Touring/Sport
2013 Subaru BRZ Limited