2012 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 vs 2012 Ford Mustang Boss 302 Laguna Seca

theDreamer · 01-17-2012, 03:43 PM

2012 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 vs 2012 Ford Mustang Boss 302 Laguna Seca - Comparison - Motor Trend

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For 2012, Chevy aims to redefine the ponycar completely in one electronically optimized fell swoop. The 2012 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 takes the once-simple formula for all-American performance and reworks it into a recipe for a modern cyborg warhorse. Literally leaning on suspension technology originally developed for Cadillacs and Corvettes, the Camaro achieves better-than-Boss levels of handling with the highway ride quality of a CTS-V. The active exhaust system sounds nearly as quiet as a family sedan at part throttle, but opens up its big, angry pipes when you stand on it. Like the ZL1, the 2012 Ford Mustang Boss 302 Laguna Seca does allow for ride quality and handling adjustment, but the big difference is the Camaro is adjusted by a smarter-and-faster-than-you computer -- different performance modes are summoned with an index finger through a console-mounted button -- while the Mustang is dialed in using a screwdriver and your spare time.

nuTinmuch · 01-17-2012, 03:50 PM

Suddenly I care about the Camaro again.

edit: Wait, it's $56,000? Haha, false alarm.

Red__Zed · 01-17-2012, 04:02 PM

Damn impressive the boss comes so close the the zl1

b1adesofcha0s · 01-17-2012, 05:18 PM

Yeah. Now I'm just waiting for the ZL1 vs 2013 GT500 comparo.

FL 4Motion · 01-17-2012, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

Damn impressive the boss comes so close the the zl1

/\ this. wrong comparo and a loss for the chevy imo. Boss shouldn't have been so close.

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

Yeah. Now I'm just waiting for the ZL1 vs 2013 GT500 comparo.

/\ THIS is the comparo that I want to see (GT500 is going to mop the floor with the ZL1 I bet).

Rooster89 · 01-17-2012, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

Yeah. Now I'm just waiting for the ZL1 vs 2013 GT500 comparo.

apples to apples instead of apples to orange with black hockey sticks...or vice versa.

kenchan · 01-17-2012, 05:53 PM

those cars look the same.

Brazilbro · 01-18-2012, 01:33 AM

Doesn't the boss come with basic slicks for tires

vo2max99 · 02-03-2012, 07:08 AM

None Laguna Seca Boss 302 please.

370Zsteve · 02-03-2012, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by nuTinmuch

Suddenly I care about the Camaro again.

edit: Wait, it's $56,000? Haha, false alarm.

370Zsteve · 02-03-2012, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

Yeah. Now I'm just waiting for the ZL1 vs 2013 GT500 comparo.

Me too. Wanna see if that enormous piece of metal in the front will be able to handle Laguna Seca as well as the two cars in this comparo.

ImportConvert · 02-03-2012, 10:06 AM

Wait...so you mean the car with a solid rear axle and little bitty tires might not be as good as a car with IRS and some real tires when it comes to the road bending and bumping?

We already knew how this would go. GM knows how to actually put a suspension and some tire under a car. Ford knows how to perfect the SRA, but they have yet to figure IRS out, unless you count the Ford GT, which was recalled for breaking all 6 control arms, and turned VERY poor lap-times at every track it was tested on, given its power/weight, or the previous generation IRS Cobra's that constantly broke half-shafts and wheel-hopped all over the place in the process.

Ford and their obsession with the outdated SRA remind me of a virgin that can't stop telling all the porn-stars in the room of how consummate his skill at beating off is. Great. The rest have moved on while Ford is still sitting there with their meat in their hand wondering why noone is impressed.

I think the mustang is a great car, but can Ford PLEASE! stop shafting its customers with it's SRA. Put an IRS under the car, bolt on some real rims/tires, and it might just do what it should have been doing all along!

Until then, it's a killer pony-car, but lets evolve it already!

*rant/off*

ETA:
This test wasn't just about lap-times. It was about comparing the two cars personalities and how they handle different situations. The mustang was obviously lacking in the suspension department, and the Camaro, although heavier, hit the corners harder and came out of them faster, and was far more controlled on uneven surfaces. There was no "loss" for the Camaro here, just a resounding reminder that even though Charlton Heston's chariot had a solid rear-axle and he had a load of fun in it, history has moved on. Will Ford please rejoin the rest of the group.

Lug · 02-03-2012, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

Wait...so you mean the car with a solid rear axle and little bitty tires might not be as good as a car with IRS and some real tires when it comes to the road bending and bumping?

We already knew how this would go. GM knows how to actually put a suspension and some tire under a car. Ford knows how to perfect the SRA, but they have yet to figure IRS out, unless you count the Ford GT, which was recalled for breaking all 6 control arms, and turned VERY poor lap-times at every track it was tested on, given its power/weight.

Once again, the inevitable occurs, and the car with a modern suspension trumps the log-wagon. I was kicking mustang arse in my Trans Am back in the day of LS1's because the mustang just couldn't put even its little measly 260bhp (or 320 for the Cobra's) down. Ford didn't correct the problem back in '05 when I worked for a Ford dealer, and the cars hooked HORRIBLY.

I think the mustang is a great car, but can Ford PLEASE! stop shafting its customers with it's SRA which limits handling rougher/wavy pavement and forces them to use skinny tires because of lateral movement!? Put an IRS under the car, and it might just do what it should have been doing all along!

Until then, it's a killer pony-car. Lets evolve it, though!

*rant/off*

So you don't think the extra >100 hp on the Camaro had anything to do with it? I'll go way out on a limb and say the GT500 will destroy the Camaro......with the SRA.

m4a1mustang · 02-03-2012, 10:15 AM

If customers felt like they were being shafted they wouldn't buy the car. Trollololol.

ImportConvert · 02-03-2012, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Lug

So you don't think the extra >100 hp on the Camaro had anything to do with it? I'll go way out on a limb and say the GT500 will destroy the Camaro......with the SRA.

No, I don't think the Camaro's extra >100hp had anything to do with it entering the corners, carrying more velocity through them, and being more composed over rougher sections of the track.

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ImportConvert A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: SWMO Posts: 4,454 Drives: 2019 CX5 GT Reserve Rep Power: 7626	Wait...so you mean the car with a solid rear axle and little bitty tires might not be as good as a car with IRS and some real tires when it comes to the road bending and bumping? We already knew how this would go. GM knows how to actually put a suspension and some tire under a car. Ford knows how to perfect the SRA, but they have yet to figure IRS out, unless you count the Ford GT, which was recalled for breaking all 6 control arms, and turned VERY poor lap-times at every track it was tested on, given its power/weight, or the previous generation IRS Cobra's that constantly broke half-shafts and wheel-hopped all over the place in the process. Ford and their obsession with the outdated SRA remind me of a virgin that can't stop telling all the porn-stars in the room of how consummate his skill at beating off is. Great. The rest have moved on while Ford is still sitting there with their meat in their hand wondering why noone is impressed. I think the mustang is a great car, but can Ford PLEASE! stop shafting its customers with it's SRA. Put an IRS under the car, bolt on some real rims/tires, and it might just do what it should have been doing all along! Until then, it's a killer pony-car, but lets evolve it already! rant/off ETA: This test wasn't just about lap-times. It was about comparing the two cars personalities and how they handle different situations. The mustang was obviously lacking in the suspension department, and the Camaro, although heavier, hit the corners harder and came out of them faster, and was far more controlled on uneven surfaces. There was no "loss" for the Camaro here, just a resounding reminder that even though Charlton Heston's chariot had a solid rear-axle and he had a load of fun in it, history has moved on. Will Ford please rejoin the rest of the group. Last edited by ImportConvert; 02-03-2012 at 10:21 AM.

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