370Z vs facelifted Genesis Coupe 2012 3.8

NYBladeZ · 11-25-2011, 02:42 PM

hahaha, sorry I'm not scared of any Hyndai. Of course they had to up the bar doesn't mean they built a better car, for those of us with bolt ons and a tune this is laughable.

senseiturtle · 11-26-2011, 07:35 AM

I think there needs to be a little more clarification.

1/4 mile TRAP SPEED is more reflective of car power.
1/4 mile E.T. is a combination of power, grip, driver.

One thing to keep in mind... you can always add power to a car, just dump money into the engine bay. You cannot, however, alter things like chassis construction / shape / weight placement, etc without virtually destroying the car. Once you have THAT kind of money to seriously alter the nature of the car, this entire conversation is moot.

It's easy to pick up a few lateral tenths in G-forces with tires, sway, suspension work, etc... but it's much easier to reach very high levels of cornering with a car built as a sports car to begin with. There's a reason why GT2 cars are all porsches / corvettes, etc.

KillerBee370 · 11-26-2011, 11:30 AM

I don't think either car is a drag car necessarily. I go to the track (road course). In fact I just went last weekend and I didn't see one Genesis coupe there (well I did but it was my friends and he wasn't running).

My car's heavily modded too, outruns other Z's and most likely any Genesis on track, I can mash it around town all day long and I don't have any oil temp issues on or off track and blah blah blah... so?

The bottom line is that this is a Z forum. A car with a history (not to mention the best selling sport car in the US). The Genesis is really the FIRST worthy car that Hyundai has put out. I personally like the car but I wouldn't take it over a Z. Noway.

Skeeterbop · 11-26-2011, 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KillerBee370

I don't think either car is a drag car necessarily. I go to the track (road course). In fact I just went last weekend and I didn't see one Genesis coupe there (well I did but it was my friends and he wasn't running).

My car's heavily modded too, outruns other Z's and most likely any Genesis on track, I can mash it around town all day long and I don't have any oil temp issues on or off track and blah blah blah... so?

The bottom line is that this is a Z forum. A car with a history (not to mention the best selling sport car in the US). The Genesis is really the FIRST worthy car that Hyundai has put out. I personally like the car but I wouldn't take it over a Z. Noway.

I bolded the parts that echo my feelings on this whole argument.

KillerBee370 · 11-26-2011, 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skeeterbop

I bolded the parts that echo my feelings on this whole argument.

Fixed!

UNKNOWN_370 · 11-26-2011, 03:42 PM

As a fan of the gen. I wanted to buy one pretty bad. I love underdogs!!! But when I drove it and did the research on the gen, the technology was doing a disservice to the gen rather than adding power. Its too restrictive and no one has been able to fully hack that ecu. The engine is no EVO engine even though they are based off the same thing. The 2.0 is weak. I'll take the pepsi challenge on a modded 2.0 anyday. And just so nguyen knows. 13.3 are manual numbers. (Which for a stock anything its good numbers)13.1 is stock for autos. Come see autos. With my K&N filters alone with mishimito intake hoses I'm seeing 13 flat. Once I'm FI'd I'm expecting low 11's. Gencoupe owners of the 2.0 WON'T MAKE THAT with this current motor. With an ECU tune on the Z revving it to 8000rpm. The 3.8 wouldn't have a chance either.

A modded gencoupe 2.0 beating a mostly stock or modded Z is like having a Nun in a whorehouse... in other words, IT AIN'T HAPPENING.

6MT · 11-26-2011, 03:53 PM

Off topic completely, but..... when I first glanced at the title of this thread, I thought it said "facelifted Genitals".

b1adesofcha0s · 11-26-2011, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by 6MT

Off topic completely, but..... when I first glanced at the title of this thread, I thought it said "facelifted Genitals".

Shamu · 11-27-2011, 07:48 AM

The comparison of Genesis coupe to 370z is like comparing Mustang v6 to 370z. The Gen Coupe is much bigger car. Gen Coupe Wheelbase is over 10 inches longer, Gen Coupe is over a foot longer, it is couple inches taller, it weighs more, it's wider, it's power to weight ratio is still far inferior to 370z, it has far less rigid chassis than z34 and suspension is no where close to capability of a Z34.

New facelift doesn't make ugly Hyundai styling any better to my eyes. It still looks like a wannabe sports GT car headed for bag of misfit toys. Nice car for soccer mom who is looking to spice up her image and not spend too much money doing so.

Test of time will be best indicator. Will Genesis Coupes from this decade be held onto by enthusiasts and restored to like new condition 20 years from now or will they head to crushers like all other Hyundais? I'm betting on crusher for that face lifted abomination.

mantella87 · 11-27-2011, 08:05 AM

I beat a Gen Coupe in Forza with a 370 and that's how I decided which car to buy.

Lug · 11-27-2011, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by mantella87

I beat a Gen Coupe in Forza with a 370 and that's how I decided which car to buy.

Ultimate Wisdom!

Skeeterbop · 11-27-2011, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by mantella87

I beat a Gen Coupe in Forza with a 370 and that's how I decided which car to buy.

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bigsix · 11-27-2011, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by 6MT

Off topic completely, but..... when I first glanced at the title of this thread, I thought it said "facelifted Genitals".

Maila87 · 11-28-2011, 04:07 AM

So here are some numbers. AUDI TT 8J (mk2) with base 2.0TFSI 200HP engine with manual (I had S-Tronic which is amazing!) We have time even for Nurburgring! :-)
FYI: Today is base 1.8TFSI and 2.0 have 211HP.

Audi TT 2.0 TFSI (8J) lap times and specs - FastestLaps.com

Here is base Hyundai with Europe spec = 19" wheels in standard for Europe
Hyundai Genesis Coupe 2.0T lap times and specs - FastestLaps.com

And our pride 370Z
Nissan 370Z lap times and specs - FastestLaps.com

For compare with TT - old mk1 - based on chassis of Golf (Rabbit) IV with 225hp and quattro
Audi TT Coupe quattro (8N) lap times and specs - FastestLaps.com

11-25-2011, 02:42 PM	#1 (permalink)
NYBladeZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: New York Posts: 2,158 Drives: Lotus Exige S Rep Power: 21	hahaha, sorry I'm not scared of any Hyndai. Of course they had to up the bar doesn't mean they built a better car, for those of us with bolt ons and a tune this is laughable. __________________ 2009 Carbon Fiber/Red 370z aka Trish: Sports Package, Meisterschaft full catback, Fast Intentions Longtube Headers, Injen Long Tube Intakes, UpRev Tune: Sold 2008 Lotus Exige S Club Racer aka Bella, always leaves me smiling

11-26-2011, 03:53 PM	#7 (permalink)
6MT A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: ITU Zone 2 Posts: 22,459 Drives: Reliant Robin Rep Power: 1791	Off topic completely, but..... when I first glanced at the title of this thread, I thought it said "facelifted Genitals". __________________ Andrew 2009 370Z Sport/Touring 6MT sold 2013 Honda Civic Si coupe D/D

11-27-2011, 07:48 AM	#9 (permalink)
Shamu A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Nor Cal Posts: 1,059 Drives: 370Z Racecar Rep Power: 20	The comparison of Genesis coupe to 370z is like comparing Mustang v6 to 370z. The Gen Coupe is much bigger car. Gen Coupe Wheelbase is over 10 inches longer, Gen Coupe is over a foot longer, it is couple inches taller, it weighs more, it's wider, it's power to weight ratio is still far inferior to 370z, it has far less rigid chassis than z34 and suspension is no where close to capability of a Z34. New facelift doesn't make ugly Hyundai styling any better to my eyes. It still looks like a wannabe sports GT car headed for bag of misfit toys. Nice car for soccer mom who is looking to spice up her image and not spend too much money doing so. Test of time will be best indicator. Will Genesis Coupes from this decade be held onto by enthusiasts and restored to like new condition 20 years from now or will they head to crushers like all other Hyundais? I'm betting on crusher for that face lifted abomination. Last edited by Shamu; 11-27-2011 at 08:19 AM.

11-28-2011, 04:07 AM	#14 (permalink)
Maila87 Base Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Prague Age: 37 Posts: 138 Drives: 370Z Rep Power: 15	So here are some numbers. AUDI TT 8J (mk2) with base 2.0TFSI 200HP engine with manual (I had S-Tronic which is amazing!) We have time even for Nurburgring! :-) FYI: Today is base 1.8TFSI and 2.0 have 211HP. Audi TT 2.0 TFSI (8J) lap times and specs - FastestLaps.com Here is base Hyundai with Europe spec = 19" wheels in standard for Europe Hyundai Genesis Coupe 2.0T lap times and specs - FastestLaps.com And our pride 370Z Nissan 370Z lap times and specs - FastestLaps.com For compare with TT - old mk1 - based on chassis of Golf (Rabbit) IV with 225hp and quattro Audi TT Coupe quattro (8N) lap times and specs - FastestLaps.com __________________ -->2005-6 Nissan Micra 1,3i CVT 72PS Red MY 98 -->2006-8 Nissan Almera 1,5i N16 96PS Red -->2007-8 Skoda Fabia Combi 1,2HTP 3 cylinder 60PS Green -->2008-11 AUDI TT 2,0TFSI FWD S-tronic 200PS Red MY06 -->2011 Nissan 370Z manual White Pearl

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11-26-2011, 07:35 AM	#2 (permalink)
senseiturtle Base Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: South Carolina Posts: 22 Drives: 2011 370Z T/S Rep Power: 14	I think there needs to be a little more clarification. 1/4 mile TRAP SPEED is more reflective of car power. 1/4 mile E.T. is a combination of power, grip, driver. One thing to keep in mind... you can always add power to a car, just dump money into the engine bay. You cannot, however, alter things like chassis construction / shape / weight placement, etc without virtually destroying the car. Once you have THAT kind of money to seriously alter the nature of the car, this entire conversation is moot. It's easy to pick up a few lateral tenths in G-forces with tires, sway, suspension work, etc... but it's much easier to reach very high levels of cornering with a car built as a sports car to begin with. There's a reason why GT2 cars are all porsches / corvettes, etc.

11-26-2011, 11:30 AM	#3 (permalink)
KillerBee370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: So Cal baby! Age: 52 Posts: 5,964 Drives: with passion Rep Power: 322	I don't think either car is a drag car necessarily. I go to the track (road course). In fact I just went last weekend and I didn't see one Genesis coupe there (well I did but it was my friends and he wasn't running). My car's heavily modded too, outruns other Z's and most likely any Genesis on track, I can mash it around town all day long and I don't have any oil temp issues on or off track and blah blah blah... so? The bottom line is that this is a Z forum. A car with a history (not to mention the best selling sport car in the US). The Genesis is really the FIRST worthy car that Hyundai has put out. I personally like the car but I wouldn't take it over a Z. Noway.

11-26-2011, 03:42 PM	#6 (permalink)
UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14859	As a fan of the gen. I wanted to buy one pretty bad. I love underdogs!!! But when I drove it and did the research on the gen, the technology was doing a disservice to the gen rather than adding power. Its too restrictive and no one has been able to fully hack that ecu. The engine is no EVO engine even though they are based off the same thing. The 2.0 is weak. I'll take the pepsi challenge on a modded 2.0 anyday. And just so nguyen knows. 13.3 are manual numbers. (Which for a stock anything its good numbers)13.1 is stock for autos. Come see autos. With my K&N filters alone with mishimito intake hoses I'm seeing 13 flat. Once I'm FI'd I'm expecting low 11's. Gencoupe owners of the 2.0 WON'T MAKE THAT with this current motor. With an ECU tune on the Z revving it to 8000rpm. The 3.8 wouldn't have a chance either. A modded gencoupe 2.0 beating a mostly stock or modded Z is like having a Nun in a whorehouse... in other words, IT AIN'T HAPPENING.

11-27-2011, 08:05 AM	#10 (permalink)
mantella87 Track Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 590 Drives: 2011 Z34 MT Rep Power: 16	I beat a Gen Coupe in Forza with a 370 and that's how I decided which car to buy.