370Z vs facelifted Genesis Coupe 2012 3.8

Maila87

BTW: Old Prefacelifted Gen Coupe is good proof, that power is nothing. 155kW 2.0 Turbo engine means 0-62 in 8 seconds and 224km/h top speed.

My mums VW Tiguan 2008 does it under 8.5 seconds in automatic and it will take 7,5 seconds if she chose manual gearbox. And it is SUV with just 2.0T 200HP engine!

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bigsix

If you look at Hyundai cars on the road, almost each and every one copies style elements from higher-end cars (i.e. Mercedes, Infiniti, etc.)

Replicas are acceptable to some people, but not to me.

I think that's why we like Z cars. They're original and never had to copy for validation.

UNKNOWN_370

Do you know your Z history? The 1970 240z was practically a replica of a 61 ferrari GT. When the 350z was designed. Nissan looked over the porsche 911 and used many engineering and styling cues for its design. The 370z looks like half 240z half cayman. The Z does a better job in design "integrity". But its still a copy non the least.

Cmike2780

I agree to a point, but where Nissan took design cues, Hyundai seems to outright copy sometimes. All companies take design elements from one another, even the luxury and exotic brands. Hyundai just seems to take it a little too far sometimes, to the point of plagiarism. The Equus looks like a Lexus LS twin and to a small degree the current gen coupe to the g37 coupe. They have started to break away from those designs though, which I'm really glad they're doing. The Veloster for example, is a huge step in building a distinct brand design. I still can't bring myself to really gen coupe for some reason. I dunno, it just seems like a work in progress.

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UNKNOWN_370

I agree with the what you are saying on most points. The thing is the original 240 and ferrari gt had more than just styling cues. It outright completely resembled. That was 40 years ago and nissan is only like 50 years old in the US.
And you are right. The hyundai is still a work in progress, the gencoupe is awesome "for what it is". But when you have driven many a sports car hard. The gen just doesn't add up in stock formation. The coupe was sold to be a potential tuner car as the japanese sports cars but they have done things that make it near unworthy for a serious tuner. As mentioned before, invasive ecu and things like dual cats and subpar transmissions. The Z does have the experience and heritage.
I'm just glad hyundai stepped up where no one would go and fill that 25-35k rwd car with a formiddable platform. As far as the equus, you are right but there's also over 20k in difference. They won't touch the same buyers for the most part. Hyundai is great for the under 30 and over 60 crowd. For a Z owner, its a work in progress. For a novice or intermediate tuner. Its more than enough to get excellent winnable performance.

PapoZalsa

Koreans have the ability to make a copy of anything look like the real thing. If you have been to S. Korea you know what I'm talking about.

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bigsix

So it's part of their culture/belief system.

In the same way Germans believing they are superior to others.

bigsix

I actually don't know Z history. My history with cars comes mostly from my Dad and the cars he drove while i was growing up. He claims his favorite was his 1984 Carrera Targa, but his best was Lexus LS400. He drove all sorts of different cars from different countries, but for sports cars he liked the 911.

As i grow older, i'm learning to appreciate different cars for what they are.

Certain cars appeal to different parts of the psyche, it seems.

The 370z is what attracted me to Z cars. I never knew about them before.

UNKNOWN_370

Not saying this with any douchebaggery at all. But you have to know the history of two cars before you compare and say one copies while the other is original. The Z is a copy. Its just when nissan makes a copy. They do it right!!!!! Its in good taste and more than palettable. The Z though has cues from several cars. Its been done to where you can appreciate the cars sense of individualism in spite of.
But the great part about forums. You enter green and leave with a PHD. Lol.

As for the gen owner that made previous statements about the Z's oil issue and stating it an unsuitable track car. Understand it costs the same to make the Z a suitable track car as it takes for the gen. Gen stock suspension really sucks around the track. Without a coilover the gen does nothing. Once you add a coilover and arms etc... the gen turns into a whole different animal. Stock gen tire width is not all that great for the track. Give it Z sized tires and grip sharply increases to help with better track numbers
These are areas where the Z is strong. The Z needs an oil cooler, granted. It needs new pads and heat dissipating rotors and lines. This is true. A bodykit that's ducted to assist in brake cooling is necessary. And it stops there. The Z b.kit would run around 2k, the line rotor pad set up around 1k and an oil cooler around 1k. That's 4k in mods.
For the gencoupe. An appropraite coilover is around 1.5k, proper wheels with matching sized tires are a 2.5k minimum. So theaverage cost is about the same for them to be equal in endurance and acceptable track performance.
As far as 2.0's running with 370z's??? I sincerely need to see that vid on you tube... 3.8's with full bolt ons can't run next to stock Z's. And modded 2.0's can't hold more than 360hp before the engine blows. The transmission implodes under hard use and seals break everywhere if boost goes over 18psi. The claimed 29psi boost limit is a gross exaggeration made by hyundai. Put a full bolted on Z on a 3/4 potential 2.0 (the gen limit b4 it implodes). The Z takes it. Even when overboosted the torque curve is short on a 2.0. Get an evo swap in a 2.0... then maybe we will see a gen run with a Z.

bigsix

Yeah, you're right. I'd never heard of the 240z being a copy of a Ferrari. What I knew is that it had been made as an affordable, every day sports car by Datsun.

Maila87

Yes you are right! But Nissan overslept in technology it looks like. Don't mean Juke R or GTR, which are really advanced cars in technology.

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Maila87

Actually 370Z looks like in many angles like 911 997 Turbo. Rear wheel arches are really similar. But it still has its own of design. Btw: do you remember TV series Viper? Transformed Dodge Viper to that supercar has two teeth in front fang too.
But I still love it!

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UNKNOWN_370

Yeaah I remember that show. It was corny but fun. way better than knight rider 2000 remember that one with 4 different KITT style cars. Lol.

You're right the 370z does take on 997 cues as well but that's my point. Yes its true that the Z stands out more as a unique vehicle. But I would credit that to the 2 seat coupe market being rare and niché. (Roadsters EXCLUDED). That being said. I prefer my Z over any car in the price range and cars up to 20k above. I haven't found anything worth trading up to that isn't at least 70k. But the Z is still taking cues from cars... awesome and expensive ones but still taking cues.

tranceformer

Are the gear ratios in the Gen coupe any good? I don't even know if they have 5spd or 6spd manuals? Final drive ratio? Power is nothing if you have terrible gearing.

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m4a1mustang

One of the cool things about the Z car is it's history. I like cars that have some soul... cars that actually came from somewhere. Z, Mustang, Corvette, 911, etc... all these cars started somewhere and have evolved over the years in their own special ways.

It's just cool to hop behind the wheel and think "Man, I could be sitting right here back in 1953/1955/1964.5/1969 when this was just getting started..."

I get all nostalgic and emo.

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