The horsepower race has gone nuclear: 2013 GT500

m4a1mustang · 06-06-2012, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

Well why would Ford make a new GT500 a downgrade in performance to the old one? Doesn't make any sense to me. Sure they might decrease the displacement of the engine, but usually they will keep the HP around the same if not a bit higher by adjusting the FI bits. I know nothing can really be guaranteed at this point, but I think it's a reasonable assumption.

Gubment.

b1adesofcha0s · 06-06-2012, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Gubment.

Just got to offset the performance of the GT500 with some hybrid/electric cars to keep the average mpg balanced across the line.

m4a1mustang · 06-06-2012, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

Just got to offset the performance of the GT500 with some hybrid/electric cars to keep the average mpg balanced across the line.

If the loonie lefties have their way they'll ban hipo cars like the GT500.

nuTinmuch · 06-06-2012, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

If the loonie lefties have their way they'll ban hipo cars like the GT500.

I'm probably the looniest of the lefties on the forum and I've never heard anyone talking about banning high performance cars. Usually the discussion revolves around SUVs, family sedans, and the like. Those are the bulk of the market -- not sports cars.

Regardless, the strategy most automakers have used in increasing efficiency has also increased performance. More efficient fuel systems, lighter cars/materials, forced induction over displacement, etc.

shadoquad · 06-06-2012, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by nuTinmuch

I'm probably the looniest of the lefties on the forum and I've never heard anyone talking about banning high performance cars. Usually the discussion revolves around SUVs, family sedans, and the like. Those are the bulk of the market -- not sports cars.

Regardless, the strategy most automakers have used in increasing efficiency has also increased performance. More efficient fuel systems, lighter cars/materials, forced induction over displacement, etc.

They needed increases in power and efficiency, because the safety hawks have increased vehicle weight by so much.

nuTinmuch · 06-06-2012, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

They needed increases in power and efficiency, because the safety hawks have increased vehicle weight by so much.

It's possible to have everything with smart engineering.

The BRZ, for example. Or -- in another category all together -- the Hyundai Sonata. It's lighter than our car, yet it's a feature-loaded comfortable family sedan.

Honestly, we just had to put up with a lot of bad design in the 90s and early 2000s. That led to more weight than anything else.

shadoquad · 06-06-2012, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by nuTinmuch

It's possible to have everything with smart engineering.

The BRZ, for example. Or -- in another category all together -- the Hyundai Sonata. It's lighter than our car, yet it's a feature-loaded comfortable family sedan.

Honestly, we just had to put up with a lot of bad design in the 90s and early 2000s. That led to more weight than anything else.

"Safety measures" didn't make cars lighter. It made them bulkier, less maneuverable, harder to stop. So then braking and handling had to be upgraded to keep up. Engines needed more power to be considered "fast". Then someone noticed that heavier cars with more powerful engines were brutally inefficient, and so FI became the winning move. Even archaic BMW moved into FI performance models.

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