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Sshhhhhhhhhhhhh. Think glass half full.

what keeps the glass half full is american manufacturers stepping their game up...bummer that nissan will be joining the other japanese manufacturers in killing decent sporting cars.

excuse me sir, this intake = the biznass.

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/g...t6/p_02243.jpg

Magnaflow muffler deletes... less than $300, Pypes also makes a set for less than $250 on americanmuscle. Cold start will wake the neighbors, tame at idle (you can turn the idle up with the SCT tuner), melts faces at full throttle. BTW, get the tune man, the TQ gain down low and the mid to high range hp are ludicrous. According to Chris Young at AM, the JLT/Airrade provide the biggest gains of all the CAI's. I was at my current HP level with just the intake/h-pipe, decided not to go with an x because they are MEGA raspy, moreso than my Stillen/Berk combo on my Z.

If you ask me all the American manufacturers are just throwing ridiculous amounts of power into mediocre cars to get people to buy them. The whole retro styling needs to stop, EVERY company does it and its boring. Create something new and fresh please! Seriously are Americans so uncreative all we can do is a new take on an old design!! Plus I dont think Ive ever seen an appealing American cockpit. Straight line speed is boring, well not boring but def not as fun as rippin twisties. I do give the Stang a tad bit of cred since it looks like it can finally make a turn. M4a1mustang did it some justice in those dragon vids :) I guess big hp is fun and getting 30-40 whp off of an intake and tune is facking phenominal!! Being the guy that has the same car as 23 other guys in the parking lot isnt. IMO. How do you think the Japanese are killing cars off??? I feel the Z is a tremendous car at a pretty damn good price. I do feel like it could have come w a tad more power but whatever. I dont think its Japans fault that stupid Americans dont buy their cars. To me the Z imparts a sense of pride and individualism an American car at the same price point and even higher cant offer.

fix't-er

Lol alchemy, tell us how you really feel :rofl2:


Looks like pu hit most of the major points... The mustang handles really well. Obviously the vette, etc does as well.

I am not really bothered by having a relatively common car...on the other hand, I see way more 370z's than 5.0s...and nearly as many 350s as 05-09 mustangs....jus sayin.

I say Japanese manufacturers are killing of their production of sports cars because... Well, they are. You can't really argue with that. The s2000, supra, mr2....etc....all gone. Even the evo is dead. The z is likely done...what're you gonna buy in the 30k price range now? The ft86 with 200hp? Maybe a scion tc?

Maybe a Subaru WRX? :ugh2:

No, only homos with maglites buy those :bowrofl:

But largely I agree. Even the RX-8 has been hanging on despite crummy sales. Japanese cars in general are not selling as well anymore, and I think the reason why is Hyundai/Kia.

I used to be turned off to the American makes but:

1) I actually like the styling of the Mustang

2) It outperforms my 370Z in absolutely every way possible.

3) As far as driving a car no one else has... I guess that's a personal thing. Personally I feel like if you are concerned with being "unique" there are some other issues that probably need to be addressed... in your head... ya know?

There is a reason the Mustang is wildly popular. It's a successful formula that's been around before the Z. It's a part of Americana.

Bottom line is we all have choices. You want a Z? Get a Z. You want a Mustang? Get a Mustang. This is America, god damnit, and we can do whatever the **** we want!

The only thing I dislike is fanboy hatred. I am a car guy first and a Mustang/Z fan second. I don't hate on cars because that's just lame.

Yep, around here I see more 370s than I do 5.0s. Granted I see a lot of V6 models, but those aren't 5.0s. ;)

And 350s are among the most popular type of car around here. I see more of those than I do Mustangs.

I agree with you on the Japanese killing the sports cars. Nissan is one of the few Japanese manufacturers left that's putting anything out that resembles a sports car.

Honda and Toyota both threw in the towel years ago. Nissan pushed on with the Z, but selling 10,000 units a year (when you approved the project based on sales of 30,000/year) and losing money on the deal is not likely to get the bean counters at Nissan HQ to approve another model.

It sucks, but it is what it is. The Z is a nice car, but in this environment it's difficult for a $30-45k 2 seater to thrive.

Subaru is seriously considering killing the wrx. Even if it doesn't get killed, it will stagnate excessively since there is no longer any competition. Besides, it's not rwd, which kinda kills it as a "true" sports car

I think it's more than just that. I think for the last 5 years or so the Japanese have been resting on their laurels.

At one point they were so far ahead of the American and Korean makes in terms of quality and value in the "cars for normal people" space.

But in that time you've had Ford come out of no where and offer incredible value and quality in all of its cars, beating most of the Japanese makes in all of the media comparisons. Hyundai has been doing the same and they are standing behind their product offering impressive warranties and cars that people really want to drive. Kia is peeking it's head into the game as well offering some pretty nice product.

Meanwhile, you've got Honda and Toyota still offering the same boring Civic/Accord/Corolla/Camry that they have for years. At one point they were the best but not any more. You get way more value and equal or better quality with a Ford/Hyundai or even some GM cars these days.

Great for the consumer.

The only Japanese standout for me is Nissan. They're far more exciting than Honda/Toyota and have done a much better job of improving with the times, IMO. But even they are not impervious to this market, and you can tell from their talk out of corporate that they are trying to push for a more "eco friendly" oriented line. A car like the Z doesn't make sense for them anymore, unless it's reborn as a weak "every man's electric sports car."

It is cyclical. Honda/toyota made shitty cars, then had to overreach to make their name. Once it was made, they rested on it...allowing the competition to catch up...

...sound familiar?

Nissan didn't build up their name quite as well as Honda did in the past, and so they're having to work now to get on that level.

I just hope Honda and Toyota wake up before they get to the point the American manufacturers had been.

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I don't wanna wake up my neighbors though.

Yep, if you live in a nice apartment complex you will be kindly asked to move out by management. :bowrofl:

There's a douche at my GF's complex that we have been calling the complex about because he's running pretty much open exhaust on his 5.0 and likes to rev as he drives into the complex late at night. Sorry dude, but that sh*t doesn't fly around here. :gtfo2: (It does sound good though!)

I say get the GT500 mufflers. If you want it louder, have your resonators removed.

My FRPP Sports are as loud as I'd ever want to go on a DD.

Wow, a lot to catch up on lol

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The rumor is that they're "killing it" in order to make a new one. The FR-86 project will come out soon, with Scooby adding their entry. But I doubt the Impreza performance trims will die. They're selling like hotcakes.
I agree with much of this. It comes down to bang/buck. A decade ago, American cars were way behind the curve on this. Japanese makes were cheaper, better performing, and had more modern styling. GM and Ford have worked hard to catch up. The Vette became the Bang/Buck performance car. If you could live with a crap interior, you could beat a Porsche for half the money. Now the new Mustang is serious bang/buck.

But don't underestimate the Korean makes. The Hyundai warranty made them stick out, and the Genesis and GenCoupe are a very real alternative to euro/us alternatives. They and Kia are making waves in the affordable market.

Yep, the Koreans are making large strides. The quality is there, the performance appears to be there, they are just working hard to shed that Korean car stigma. Which IMO will happen within the next 5-10 years.

The wrx sells great, but Subaru literally makes nothing on the car. With the evo dead, the price will likely jump up significantly, or the car will stagnate..maybe both. Step one is updating the impreza and not the performance trims for next year....


The fr86 is not looking good either. Toyota stopped footing it's half of the bill for the turbo version, so Subaru officially killed the development...car is gonna be a wimp... Less power than even an s2000

I hadn't heard all that about the FT-86, but we'll have to wait and see if it's true.

Screwbaloo might not make much on the WRX, but it gives them market presence with males. It is the lone car that keeps their lineup from joining volvo in the "woman-only" market. VW is attempting to creep out of that by manning up the Beetle and introducing an expensive Golf R.

Turbo killoff was verified by Subaru.


They'll keep producing the wrx/Sti through 2013 at least. They have enough stock built up that they have to. If it really sells next year, they may update to follow the impreza, but as it sits...it looks like they are trying to offload parts to kill the wrx.

Yeah, there is one dude in my complex with a loud 350...they told him to swap the exhaust or move:roflpuke2:

:(

So, we're heading into the next era of no affordable Japanese performance?

The late 90's and early 00's was rough. booooo

Blasphemy!
Early 2000's had the greatest production roadster of all time

:icon17: The Toyota MR2, right?

lol the Miata is a stud. Stop messing with the best doors in the business.

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The car I'm thinking of has an engine made entirely of miata doors.

Sounds like an unstoppable and indestructible machine of awesome power! :roflpuke2:

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I heard you could slap a massively huge turbo on with few issues...at least until the point where the motor actually ate a turbo.

To get around this, many people swapped in inferior parts to tame the engine.

....fit to even drive Chuck Norris around town! :tup:

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My 5.0 thread is significantly longer than my z journal...:icon14:


buncha secret mustang fanboys on here
:bowrofl:

We're just trying to bump the thread up to gather more trolls :stirthepot:

My buddy took me for a drive in his stock 5.0 the other day. I knew it would be quick but I really didn't expect it to be as fast as it was. That thing pulls hard. He made a believer out of me. The interior wasn't bad but I much prefer the Z's. On exterior styling I'd give the nod to the Z as well but the Mustang is growing more on me. With a few mods I think they can look really good. The engine in the 5.0 is almost good enough to make me trade in my Z...almost. I think I'd rather wait and see what the new C7 has to offer instead.

I'd rather staple my scrotum to a stool and stand up really fast than buy a Mustang.

There, that evened it out a bit.

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The scary part about this statement is mustangs are shados second favorite thing in the world.