5.0

m4a1mustang · 09-24-2011, 04:39 PM

The good thing about Borla is they do a lot of R&D for each exhaust system they build. Whether it be for the 370, 5.0, Corvette, anything... A lot of companies just have generic mufflers they just fab pipes up for. Borla will design all new stuff for each new car if they need to.

Red__Zed · 09-24-2011, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

The good thing about Borla is they do a lot of R&D for each exhaust system they build. Whether it be for the 370, 5.0, Corvette, anything... A lot of companies just have generic mufflers they just fab pipes up for. Borla will design all new stuff for each new car if they need to.

Def true. They do some epic work

FromG2Z · 09-24-2011, 05:02 PM

Interesting.... I will have to listen to some borla samples on the 5 oh

m4a1mustang · 09-24-2011, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by FromG2Z

Interesting.... I will have to listen to some borla samples on the 5 oh

After the Z I wanted to make sure I got something that didn't drone at all, so I did a lot of research myself and that's why I chose the Borla (FRPP) Sports.

FromG2Z · 09-24-2011, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

After the Z I wanted to make sure I got something that didn't drone at all, so I did a lot of research myself and that's why I chose the Borla (FRPP) Sports.

Steve, so yours are borlas axle back or cat back? I would like to keep my cats. So how do u like em? Quality and fitment? And of course sound? Got any vids?

m4a1mustang · 09-24-2011, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by FromG2Z

Steve, so yours are borlas axle back or cat back? I would like to keep my cats. So how do u like em? Quality and fitment? And of course sound? Got any vids?

I have the FRPP Sport axle backs. I think they sound great. Quality and fitment is great as well, like OEM.

This is what they sound like with the stock H-pipe:

I don't have any good videos with the FRPP X pipe (which maintains the stock cats), but here's the Borla Sport cat-back, which replaces the factory H with an X and maintains the stock cats. It also deletes the stock resonators:

FL 4Motion · 09-24-2011, 06:53 PM

flowmasters and muscle cars go together like America and apple pie. (mmmm pie

)

When I had my '70 Chevelle, I loved the sound with my flowmaster exhaust system, just sounded "right".

m4a1mustang · 09-24-2011, 07:01 PM

TBH I never was a fan of the Flowmasters. I preferred the more high-pitched European tones, which is why I've run X pipe and straight-through mufflers on all of my cars. You'll never catch me with an aftermarket H pipe and chambered mufflers.

FromG2Z · 09-24-2011, 08:15 PM

So Steve you have the Ford Racing Performance Parts axle backs, with X pipe, correct? LOL, took me a while to figure out what FRPP means. I was looking at Borla's site, so is that the same as the S-type axle back then?

m4a1mustang · 09-24-2011, 08:20 PM

Yeah, from everything I have read and researched, the FRPP Sport = Borla S-Type and FRPP Touring = Borla Touring. Of course David Borla will never admit they are the same. When I talked to him about it he danced around the question but acknowledged that Borla did indeed make the FRPP mufflers for the 5.0.

I do have the FRPP X pipe, but for whatever reason fitment is really bad. It was a PITA to install. I actually need to have the Cat-to-X connections welded if I want to keep it; I've got a sizeable exhaust leak at the moment.

FromG2Z · 09-24-2011, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Yeah, from everything I have read and researched, the FRPP Sport = Borla S-Type and FRPP Touring = Borla Touring. Of course David Borla will never admit they are the same. When I talked to him about it he danced around the question but acknowledged that Borla did indeed make the FRPP mufflers for the 5.0.

I do have the FRPP X pipe, but for whatever reason fitment is really bad. It was a PITA to install. I actually need to have the Cat-to-X connections welded if I want to keep it; I've got a sizeable exhaust leak at the moment.

Very interesting Steve. Thanks for the great info. So in my research and listening to your vids, I really like the FRPP sports. And since they're Ford, should be all covered under warranty right

So any benefits to ordering/going beyond the axle backs? They sounds fantastic with just the axle backs. Does ordering the cat backs just give you an x-pipe? And where do you recommend buying them for best price?

m4a1mustang · 09-25-2011, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by FromG2Z

Very interesting Steve. Thanks for the great info. So in my research and listening to your vids, I really like the FRPP sports. And since they're Ford, should be all covered under warranty right

So any benefits to ordering/going beyond the axle backs? They sounds fantastic with just the axle backs. Does ordering the cat backs just give you an x-pipe? And where do you recommend buying them for best price?

TBH I'm not sure about FRPP parts and warranty; I think if you order through the dealership and have them do the work there is some sort of limited warranty on parts, but for something like exhaust I wouldn't be concerned with that.

Axlebacks obviously are just for sound. Power gains from swapping the mufflers are absolutely nada... zilch... nothing! The real gains with the 5.0 are when you replace the cats with HFCs or just get rid of them outright.

The Cat-back is going to give you all of the piping from the cats back. In the case of the Borla S-Type cat back, the H is replaced by an X and the factory resonators are deleted.

In my case, I don't care about squeezing any extra power out of the car through the exhaust. I wanted to keep the stock cats. The only change I wanted was with the sound, and by swapping the mufflers and X pipe I could achieve that goal rather easily.

If you don't mind spending the money, and if you want it a little louder (due to the deletion of the resonators), I would consider getting the Borla S-Type cat-back. You get your X pipe and you replace all of the piping back to the mufflers.

FWIW, though, the gains from just a catback are minimal. Most come from the headers and cats. There are a TON of options out there, so just take your time and sift through them all!

@Red, good stuff!

Alchemy · 09-25-2011, 09:21 AM

Awesome pics Red! Love that fvcking Evora!

FromG2Z · 09-25-2011, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

TBH I'm not sure about FRPP parts and warranty; I think if you order through the dealership and have them do the work there is some sort of limited warranty on parts, but for something like exhaust I wouldn't be concerned with that.

Axlebacks obviously are just for sound. Power gains from swapping the mufflers are absolutely nada... zilch... nothing! The real gains with the 5.0 are when you replace the cats with HFCs or just get rid of them outright.

The Cat-back is going to give you all of the piping from the cats back. In the case of the Borla S-Type cat back, the H is replaced by an X and the factory resonators are deleted.

In my case, I don't care about squeezing any extra power out of the car through the exhaust. I wanted to keep the stock cats. The only change I wanted was with the sound, and by swapping the mufflers and X pipe I could achieve that goal rather easily.

If you don't mind spending the money, and if you want it a little louder (due to the deletion of the resonators), I would consider getting the Borla S-Type cat-back. You get your X pipe and you replace all of the piping back to the mufflers.

FWIW, though, the gains from just a catback are minimal. Most come from the headers and cats. There are a TON of options out there, so just take your time and sift through them all!

@Red, good stuff!

Thanks Steve! After further research last night and this morning... I think I've narrowed it down to axle backs for sure, but choosing between Borla S-type axle backs, or Roush axle backs. Any thoughts on the Roush? I know they're cheaper ~400. But they sound great too! Any feedback on drone? I think I read there's hardly any either.

Red__Zed · 09-25-2011, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by FromG2Z

Thanks Steve! After further research last night and this morning... I think I've narrowed it down to axle backs for sure, but choosing between Borla S-type axle backs, or Roush axle backs. Any thoughts on the Roush? I know they're cheaper ~400. But they sound great too! Any feedback on drone? I think I read there's hardly any either.

To be honest, I put zero faith into the sound descriptions I read on most forums.

The Roush sound very raspy to me. I think the tone is nice though

09-24-2011, 04:39 PM	#1 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6964	The good thing about Borla is they do a lot of R&D for each exhaust system they build. Whether it be for the 370, 5.0, Corvette, anything... A lot of companies just have generic mufflers they just fab pipes up for. Borla will design all new stuff for each new car if they need to. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

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FromG2Z A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Fields of Opportunities Posts: 1,406 Drives: '12 5.0, kona, 6MT Rep Power: 19	Interesting.... I will have to listen to some borla samples on the 5 oh __________________ 2012 5.0 GT Prem, Kona Blue, 6MT, HID, Brembo, 3.73 -- Ordered: 9/20/11, Born on: 10/20/11, Delivered 11/15/11"Marilyn" GT500 mufflers/flaps, MGW shifter, FRPP K springs, BMR panhard bar, Boss coil covers, 3DC spoiler, Llumar Tint (35% and 20%), 3M ClearBra

09-24-2011, 07:01 PM	#8 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6964	TBH I never was a fan of the Flowmasters. I preferred the more high-pitched European tones, which is why I've run X pipe and straight-through mufflers on all of my cars. You'll never catch me with an aftermarket H pipe and chambered mufflers. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

09-24-2011, 08:15 PM	#9 (permalink)
FromG2Z A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Fields of Opportunities Posts: 1,406 Drives: '12 5.0, kona, 6MT Rep Power: 19	So Steve you have the Ford Racing Performance Parts axle backs, with X pipe, correct? LOL, took me a while to figure out what FRPP means. I was looking at Borla's site, so is that the same as the S-type axle back then? __________________ 2012 5.0 GT Prem, Kona Blue, 6MT, HID, Brembo, 3.73 -- Ordered: 9/20/11, Born on: 10/20/11, Delivered 11/15/11"Marilyn" GT500 mufflers/flaps, MGW shifter, FRPP K springs, BMR panhard bar, Boss coil covers, 3DC spoiler, Llumar Tint (35% and 20%), 3M ClearBra

09-24-2011, 08:20 PM	#10 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6964	Yeah, from everything I have read and researched, the FRPP Sport = Borla S-Type and FRPP Touring = Borla Touring. Of course David Borla will never admit they are the same. When I talked to him about it he danced around the question but acknowledged that Borla did indeed make the FRPP mufflers for the 5.0. I do have the FRPP X pipe, but for whatever reason fitment is really bad. It was a PITA to install. I actually need to have the Cat-to-X connections welded if I want to keep it; I've got a sizeable exhaust leak at the moment. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

09-24-2011, 06:53 PM	#7 (permalink)
FL 4Motion A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: FL Posts: 4,776 Drives: Baby Shark Rep Power: 701617	flowmasters and muscle cars go together like America and apple pie. (mmmm pie ) When I had my '70 Chevelle, I loved the sound with my flowmaster exhaust system, just sounded "right".

09-25-2011, 09:21 AM	#13 (permalink)
Alchemy A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Jersey Age: 46 Posts: 4,855 Drives: to acquire tickets Rep Power: 3526	Awesome pics Red! Love that fvcking Evora! __________________ Ryan 314WHP \| 260LB-FT \| STILLEN \| KONI \| SWIFT \| STOPTECH \| Z1 \| PROJECT MU \| CNT \| UPREV \| FORGESTAR \| BRIDGESTONE \| PWJDM \| ENEOS \| MOTUL

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