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ihatepotholes · 02-02-2012, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

Running the hardest setting on the dampers anywhere in nj is your problem.

Body roll is less, see any objective numbers. It might feel different due to the higher roll rate, but objectively it corners as flat.

Brake dive is worse, not part of handling.

Steering was covered, if you read the post.

what's that suppose to mean? roads are as flat as it gets by where i live. brake dive is not part of handling?

more body roll "feel" gives drivers less confident, it is a negative no matter how you spin it. i don't care what the number says, significant seat time in both cars tell me Z handles better.

m4a1mustang · 02-02-2012, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by ihatepotholes

what's that suppose to mean? roads are as flat as it gets by where i live. brake dive is not part of handling?

more body roll "feel" gives drivers less confident, it is a negative no matter how you spin it. i don't care what the number says, significant seat time in both cars tell me Z handles better.

That's actually not true. It's personal preference. You might not be comfortable with it, but that doesn't mean someone else wouldn't be. For reference, just take a look at the varying spring and damper rates being run on the Z's here. Also look at the varying roll bar sizes.

There is no one perfect setup. Everyone likes their car setup a little bit differently. Driver A might like to run a super stiff rear bar to keep it flat, but Driver B might like to run less bar to get some more roll. It's entirely subjective.

Red__Zed · 02-02-2012, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by ihatepotholes

what's that suppose to mean? roads are as flat as it gets by where i live. brake dive is not part of handling?

more body roll "feel" gives drivers less confident, it is a negative no matter how you spin it. i don't care what the number says, significant seat time in both cars tell me Z handles better.

Blindly setting your dampers to full stiff is not a ticket to performance. I've spent a lot of time in nj, and there's maybe a handful of roads where full stiff makes sense. The vast majority will cause you to experience all sorts of negative dynamics running full stiff

Brake dive is what allows the mustang to outbrake the z. Getting weight onto the front tires is crucial for both braking and turning. You'll notice many race teams spend a lot of time trying to allow for sufficient weight transfer while maintaining sufficient stability.

Like Steve said, much of this is subjective, to me (and many others) nose dive is no problem. You're entitled to your preferences, and perhaps should invest in some stiffer front springs.

Pharmacist · 02-02-2012, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ihatepotholes

i don't know what you drove, but my Boss 302's handling is far from absolutely, disgustingly amazing even with adj dampers on the hardest setting. my Z handled better than my boss, not only it did not have the brake dive it had far less body roll. Z's steering is just on another level compared to the Boss; far more direct, precise and sensitive.

yes, Z has slight bump steer. however, mustang has far worse than bump steer to deal with. have you ever hit a bump while corning in your mustang? let me tell you it is not a good feeling, regardless what ford did to hide the SRA's characteristic it is still there, and you'll know that when you get on a bumpy road.

unless you think 5.0 GT out handles the Boss 302 i find that review slightly biased.

+1 rep

m4a1mustang · 02-01-2012, 06:34 PM

Soo... can we keep this thread open now?

Red__Zed · 02-01-2012, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Soo... can we keep this thread open now?

It was reopened awhile back by one of the mods.

Jamaica · 02-01-2012, 06:35 PM

please do. That mustang is crazy. Wondering how the hell its able to keep all that power.

Alchemy · 02-01-2012, 11:41 PM

This will turn to carnage soon enough.

IBTRL (In Before The Re-Lock)

b1adesofcha0s · 02-02-2012, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Alchemy

This will turn to carnage soon enough.

IBTRL (In Before The Re-Lock)

Pretty much

red6spd · 02-02-2012, 08:27 AM

Uh ohhhhh. Disagreement!!!!!!!! Lol. I don't think Dan is a good judge of the Z since he seems to have had such a bad experience with it then I think anyone else on the forum.

m4a1mustang · 02-02-2012, 10:19 AM

The 5.0 actually has less body roll than the Z when measured. It's the added mass and faster roll rate that make it seem like it has more.

m4a1mustang · 02-02-2012, 11:04 AM

ihatepotholes, I think you'd be well served by the Fays2 Watts Link. Much lower rear roll center (which you can fine tune) and much better rear body control. The axle articulates more like a multi-link rear than a panhard bar live axle.

ihatepotholes · 02-02-2012, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

ihatepotholes, I think you'd be well served by the Fays2 Watts Link. Much lower rear roll center (which you can fine tune) and much better rear body control. The axle articulates more like a multi-link rear than a panhard bar live axle.

i am in the process of choosing between Fays2 and Steeda Watts link. thank you for the recommendation. right now im just waiting for FRP release to their Boss specified springs.

m4a1mustang · 02-02-2012, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by ihatepotholes

i am in the process of choosing between Fays2 and Steeda Watts link. thank you for the recommendation. right now im just waiting for FRP release to their Boss specified springs.

I think the Fays2 is probably the better unit.. It's a little heavier than the Steeda unit but it doesn't compromise clearance on the passenger side like the Steeda does. It's also what, $400 less?

Mine should be here either Friday or Monday. Planning on installing it next Friday.

Pharmacist · 02-02-2012, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

I think the Fays2 is probably the better unit. It's a little heavier than the Steeda unit but it doesn't compromise clearance on the passenger side like the Steeda does. It's also what, $400 less?

I just wanted to say how unreal the feeling is to see people talking about Watts linkages on a performance car in the year 2012. Perhaps the next gen Mustang will have people discussing which carburettor to maximize horsepower

*runs away and puts flame shield on*

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red6spd A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Long Island NY Posts: 3,277 Drives: 2010 Z Coupe M6 SPT Rep Power: 23	Uh ohhhhh. Disagreement!!!!!!!! Lol. I don't think Dan is a good judge of the Z since he seems to have had such a bad experience with it then I think anyone else on the forum. __________________ 2010 Base+Sport 6spd: Stillen G3, FI Non-Resonated CBE, FI Non-Resonated Test Pipes, UpRev Tuned, Custom 24R Oil Cooler, JDM Rear Fog-OEM Harness. ???Whp ???WTQ (Will find out come spring time)

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m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6964	The 5.0 actually has less body roll than the Z when measured. It's the added mass and faster roll rate that make it seem like it has more. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

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m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6964	ihatepotholes, I think you'd be well served by the Fays2 Watts Link. Much lower rear roll center (which you can fine tune) and much better rear body control. The axle articulates more like a multi-link rear than a panhard bar live axle. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

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Jamaica A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: SoCal Posts: 15,362 Drives: Under boost Rep Power: 75	please do. That mustang is crazy. Wondering how the hell its able to keep all that power.