the least expansive super car?

cdoxp800 · 03-20-2011, 09:29 PM

I looked at this about two years ago. The new Gen 2 has lots of improvements since I last looked.
Over all very affordable

Red__Zed · 03-20-2011, 09:55 PM

kit cars always are a good time, and a good deal for a fun car.

Lemers · 03-20-2011, 10:32 PM

Maybe I'll do one when I retire.

oleg · 03-21-2011, 12:30 AM

Here are a few things I found on the second gen model
Vid explaining the changes
YouTube - Gen 2 GTM Overview
All the changes
Second Generation GTM

Isamu · 03-21-2011, 07:37 AM

check out the Ultima GTR, it's a cheap "super car" but its a kit car

ImportConvert · 03-21-2011, 12:00 PM

All those cars you posted pictures of, and the OP's first picture have some differences.

One, the OP's car uses square "tubing" in the door area.

Two, there are only 2 pieces of said square tubing with no cross-bracing by that door area.

If some dillweed is going to hit you, it will probably be the worst from the side. OP's picture of the "frame" just doesn't inspire confidence in me regarding size-impact.

The NASCAR looks bulletproof, and the GT3 as well, and is based on a frame of sorts. Huge X-bracing (tubular) by the doors. Like. The Zonda, well, your pictures didn't show this:

Those seats are sitting low and behind some serious frame protection from the sides. Again, very awesome.

All are much better than 2 pieces of squared steel "tubing" that have no crossbracing anywhere near the impact point that worries me most (driver/passenger door).

I am not denying that tube chassis are not the bomb if done right (not as a cost-saver like in OP's photo and what I was referring to), just that I would rather have a 6" hydroformed steel or aluminum chassis rather than a small square tube between me and a T-bone incident.

The car the OP posted and the Zonda, GT3, and NASCAR aren't even in the same league--and that was the point the OP was making. The car they posted was the least expensive "Supercar" to be had. The structure of it just doesn't inspire my confidence. Glad you all like it, though. I would rather have a perimeter frame car, or properly built tube chassis car like the others pictured.

Red__Zed · 03-21-2011, 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ImportConvert

All those cars you posted pictures of, and the OP's first picture have some differences.

One, the OP's car uses square "tubing" in the door area.

Two, there are only 2 pieces of said square tubing with no cross-bracing by that door area.

If some dillweed is going to hit you, it will probably be the worst from the side. OP's picture of the "frame" just doesn't inspire confidence in me regarding size-impact.

The NASCAR looks bulletproof, and the GT3 as well, and is based on a frame of sorts. Huge X-bracing (tubular) by the doors. Like. The Zonda, well, your pictures didn't show this:

Those seats are sitting low and behind some serious frame protection from the sides. Again, very awesome.

All are much better than 2 pieces of squared steel "tubing" that have no crossbracing anywhere near the impact point that worries me most (driver/passenger door).

I am not denying that tube chassis are not the bomb if done right (not as a cost-saver like in OP's photo and what I was referring to), just that I would rather have a 6" hydroformed steel or aluminum chassis rather than a small square tube between me and a T-bone incident.

The car the OP posted and the Zonda, GT3, and NASCAR aren't even in the same league--and that was the point the OP was making. The car they posted was the least expensive "Supercar" to be had. The structure of it just doesn't inspire my confidence. Glad you all like it, though. I would rather have a perimeter frame car, or properly built tube chassis car like the others pictured.

Yeah, you know I'm totally worried about getting t-boned when I hit the track.

ImportConvert · 03-21-2011, 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red__Zed

Yeah, you know I'm totally worried about getting t-boned when I hit the track.

Are we talking about a "supercar" or a track slut?

Red__Zed · 03-21-2011, 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ImportConvert

Are we talking about a "supercar" or a track slut?

The whole point of a car like this is track use.

Isamu · 03-21-2011, 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red__Zed

The whole point of a car like this is track use.

that's why I would get it.. tho the occasional jaunt to a fancy resturant to pick up mad bitchs would be in order

Cmike2780 · 03-21-2011, 12:14 PM

Isn't the chassis something you build? It not like you can't reinforce the chassis with more bracing. It's probably in the doors anyways.

Cmike2780 · 03-21-2011, 01:18 PM

Square tubing can be just as strong as round tubing. It depends on the cross section and wall thickness.

Also, almost forgot the Ariel Atom

Cmike2780 · 03-21-2011, 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

"If steel tubing alone were so great then a lot of high end cars are being built wrong. The reason they use steel tubing is one of cost, not design superiority"

Sorry, Import says hydroformed steel or Aluminum chassis is better.

Steel tube is no good

Isamu · 03-21-2011, 01:53 PM

my question.. whats an expansive supercar?

ChrisSlicks · 03-21-2011, 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Isamu

my question.. whats an expansive supercar?

One that is long and wide and covering a large area.

03-20-2011, 09:29 PM	#1 (permalink)
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ImportConvert A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: SWMO Posts: 4,454 Drives: 2019 CX5 GT Reserve Rep Power: 7628	All those cars you posted pictures of, and the OP's first picture have some differences. One, the OP's car uses square "tubing" in the door area. Two, there are only 2 pieces of said square tubing with no cross-bracing by that door area. If some dillweed is going to hit you, it will probably be the worst from the side. OP's picture of the "frame" just doesn't inspire confidence in me regarding size-impact. The NASCAR looks bulletproof, and the GT3 as well, and is based on a frame of sorts. Huge X-bracing (tubular) by the doors. Like. The Zonda, well, your pictures didn't show this: Those seats are sitting low and behind some serious frame protection from the sides. Again, very awesome. All are much better than 2 pieces of squared steel "tubing" that have no crossbracing anywhere near the impact point that worries me most (driver/passenger door). I am not denying that tube chassis are not the bomb if done right (not as a cost-saver like in OP's photo and what I was referring to), just that I would rather have a 6" hydroformed steel or aluminum chassis rather than a small square tube between me and a T-bone incident. The car the OP posted and the Zonda, GT3, and NASCAR aren't even in the same league--and that was the point the OP was making. The car they posted was the least expensive "Supercar" to be had. The structure of it just doesn't inspire my confidence. Glad you all like it, though. I would rather have a perimeter frame car, or properly built tube chassis car like the others pictured. Last edited by ImportConvert; 03-21-2011 at 12:04 PM.

03-21-2011, 12:14 PM	#11 (permalink)
Cmike2780 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 5,059 Drives: slowwww Rep Power: 30	Isn't the chassis something you build? It not like you can't reinforce the chassis with more bracing. It's probably in the doors anyways. __________________ [09][MB][6-Spd MT][Touring][Stillen Gen III][K&N][Borla CBE][Evo-R] [ArchitTEK Photography]

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Cmike2780 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 5,059 Drives: slowwww Rep Power: 30	Square tubing can be just as strong as round tubing. It depends on the cross section and wall thickness. Also, almost forgot the Ariel Atom __________________ [09][MB][6-Spd MT][Touring][Stillen Gen III][K&N][Borla CBE][Evo-R] [ArchitTEK Photography]

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oleg Enthusiast Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Illinois Posts: 321 Drives: 2011 370z 6mt sp Rep Power: 16	Here are a few things I found on the second gen model Vid explaining the changes YouTube - Gen 2 GTM Overview All the changes Second Generation GTM

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