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Not bashin' good ol American Muscle......but HHhhmmmm gotta see the stats on how long the parts hold up on the Stangz????? Gotta feelin' possible problems will soon come :P Unless its a "Cobra" or GT 500 ...... its just a Stang :P

My sister has a 2002 that's got over 150k miles on it with zero problems. You've got to be a moron if you expect these things to start breaking down right off the bat.

Hell, just look at how many problems the 370Zs are having. ECU whine on the 2009s? 6MT transmissions getting replaced? Car's randomly deciding not to start? Plastic CSCs failing?

All cars have their problems...

:iagree: However, I have an 09 and she is runnin' excellent no issues or concerns and just hit 19,000 miles :)

Next new car 911 Turbo or M3 coupe :yum: wuz thinkin' of going back to Lexus.....but dang did you see the freakin' recall on dem toyotas....

I'm glad you're '09 is going strong. Mine picked up the ECU whine at 8,500 miles and damn was it annoying. :icon17:

As for Toyota... yeah... they seem to be an exception lately. They seem to have let their quality control slip a bit. They have had a lot more recalls than we are accustomed to seeing from them. Of course I'm sure a lot of this could be attributed to growing pains. They are a lot bigger than they used to be just 10 years ago!

And speaking of 911s... check this out from my track day last weekend:

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_qiUkqaHCPFw/TM...0/IMG_8937.JPG

911 GT2 on slicks :tup:

Actually, it's the GT500's with the issues. The other mustangs do fine. The mustang has always lasted well. Solid driveline, body, etc. The only thing that goes out is little junk like a window-motor here and there. I used to work at a Ford dealership back in '05 and we RARELY had mustangs in the shop for anything but ruitine maintenance (or a new auto tranny, which was junk). The new mustang should do even better.

FWIW, My dad used to drive police cars with the 4.6L (same as the mustang except cam profile and exhaust and tune, maybe a few other minor things.) He would beat the hell out of them. The transmissions usually died several times over his ownership of the vehicle, but the engine would go 2-300K miles every time.

The new auto in the 5.0 is a lot like the 370Zs... it's really freaking quick.

911's just scream freakin' SEXY :) I've been pricin' out a few years older low miles ...... around 48,000 ish ....... Read a magazine about mid life crisis lmao....it said 370z for thirties and M3 or Vette for 40's ...... I think Porsche 911 turbo's say's ..... I'm not a millionaire or billionaire but I'm doing Good, life is Good.....figure my Z if I keep it long enough can go to my daughter :)

There are a lot of people that think the shape of the 911 is old and tired, but I love it. It's classic and iconic, and Porsche always finds a way to keep it looking fresh generation after generation. And the new ones are just beasts. :tup:

If you had said that in 2001, I would have give you props for it. However, there are a few things that have changed.

The driveline in American cars is second to none. They have very good transmissions now (always had good standards, took a while to get a good auto), and the engines are something import owners dream of, both in power and reliability. I have NEVER! owned an American car where the engine didn't go 150K+ or more, and that was only because I sold the car. I have owned/been a part of a family that has owned at least 2 dozen American engine powered cars while I have been alive. NONE! of them died under 200K miles unless they ingested water or something.

The suspension has been a down-fall for quite some time, however, cars like the corvette, and others are decent. The mustang is hanging on to old technology, but the results are hard to argue with on the track. The mores sophisticate suspension under most imports does win out on the street, though.

The interior and "fitment" of imports in the early 2000's and before blew American cars away. Now, it still edges them out, but the compromise is a junk driveline in most imports. You take your pick. Stellar engine/transmission and so-so interior (which isn't bad, really), or a stellar interior and a so-so engine/transmission (which is a lot better than it used to be).

All-in-all, everyone makes a lemon, it just depends on what you want your lemon to taste like if you get one. The thing about American cars is that when they break, they are cheaper to work on/fix. It equals out even IF they broke more. However, American cars are just as reliable as their import equivalents in my opinion. My Infiniti has had as much trouble as my domestics at this point ,at the same mileage, and it has been driven much "softer" I think, considering the person who owned my '95 TA grenaded the tq converter and snapped an axle (neutral-drops at 6K?).

Anyway, nah, I don't think "It's more reliable" is a reason to buy import now. It's just interior in SOME cases, and preference.

That's not really even true anymore. The SRA in the 5.0 handles bumpy roads just like the Z's IRS does. I have no idea how they did it, but Ford really, really tuned this thing well. I can't wait to see what happens when they finally switch to IRS (next generation). :icon17:

Though my Brembo car is a lot stiffer than my Sport/Touring was. The seats are more comfortable but the car itself is rougher on long trips. I'd say it's as stiff as a NISMO, maybe even a little stiffer.

Go into a low-rent part of town and what do you see? A bunch of 70's and 80's Nissan's cruising around? NO. You see Monte Carlos, Crown Vic's, Delta 88's, etc. You won't find many of the 80's imports still alive on the maintenance (or lack) they receive there. Those old American cars may not be refined, but damned if they don't still get from A to B.

Some cars will just go forever. I remember seeing a thread somewhere of a BMW 3 series that went 50,000 miles without an oil change. They cleaned the thing out and it was fine. :icon18:

That is physically impossible. When one tire dips into a bump, the other's contact patch will change and be inferior to what it could have been, had it not been married to the other. It may feel the same inside the car, but it's not. There is no way it could be.

I'm not knocking it, it works darn well, and yes, I am splitting hairs, but if it WEREN'T better, why would Ford be planning to add IRS for the 2014 redesign? Why did they not use SRA on their Ford GT Supercar?

Because they are going to sell the car in Europe.

And I'm just telling you what I feel. The car is just as good over the bumps as the Z was. Though neither are anywhere near as composed as the Cayman S on a bumpy road. :D

We had a focus come in with the OEM filter at 14K on the odometer once, lol. Factory fill. My customer traded it in. Ran great.