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m4a1mustang 04-28-2011 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 1078348)
The 5.0, and specifically the 5.0 in the BOSS, is one of the sickest motors out there. Ford finally figured out how to make a mod-motor that was light, powerful, and had awesome delivery. I am totally impressed with it and thing they now need to design a car that can maximize its potential.

For the next model change we can expect a direct-injected 5.0 in a smaller, lighter platform with IRS. Think around the same size as the 94-04s and somewhere around 3200-3350 lbs.

Red__Zed 04-28-2011 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 1078358)
I figured you would bring that up, but uncooperative can mean many things, and they are talking about the SHIFTER. That's an easy fix. People on the forums have tried replacing the shifter in the GT500 and the grind remains. Grinding is an internal problem with the transmission regarding the GT500.

Grinding can be an internal problem, or a drivers problem.

I don't disagree that the GT500 is a PITA the shift when driven hard, but it is kind of the be expected with a car like that.

The problem is, most people try to slam the car from gear to gear at redline without understanding what is happening in the transmission, which is what causes the grind. I can create that same grind in a Z06 without much trouble. I can also easily create it in my Z. The GT500 happens to have a really broad power range, and a particularly unknowledgeable customer base.

Red__Zed 04-28-2011 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1078361)
For the next model change we can expect a direct-injected 5.0 in a smaller, lighter platform with IRS. Think around the same size as the 94-04s and somewhere around 3200-3350 lbs.

I will trade in both the Subaru and the Z for TWO of those if they get that right.

m4a1mustang 04-28-2011 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1078367)
Grinding can be an internal problem, or a drivers problem.

I don't disagree that the GT500 is a PITA the shift when driven hard, but it is kind of the be expected with a car like that.

The problem is, most people try to slam the car from gear to gear at redline without understanding what is happening in the transmission, which is what causes the grind. I can create that same grind in a Z06 without much trouble. I can also easily create it in my Z. The GT500 happens to have a really broad power range, and a particularly unknowledgeable customer base.

:iagree: Don't rush it!

ImportConvert 04-28-2011 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1078367)
Grinding can be an internal problem, or a drivers problem.

I don't disagree that the GT500 is a PITA the shift when driven hard, but it is kind of the be expected with a car like that.

The problem is, most people try to slam the car from gear to gear at redline without understanding what is happening in the transmission, which is what causes the grind. I can create that same grind in a Z06 without much trouble. I can also easily create it in my Z. The GT500 happens to have a really broad power range, and a particularly unknowledgeable customer base.

So what is your method of not causing the grind in the GT500? People are already trying all sorts of stuff. Making sure the clutch pedal is on the metal, pulling the shifter toward them and back into 2nd, at a "diagonal", etc.

m4a1mustang 04-28-2011 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1078371)
I will trade in both the Subaru and the Z for TWO of those if they get that right.

I'd do it too. A 6 speed manual for happy time and the dual-clutch automatic for happy time + commuting. :icon18:

ImportConvert 04-28-2011 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1078361)
For the next model change we can expect a direct-injected 5.0 in a smaller, lighter platform with IRS. Think around the same size as the 94-04s and somewhere around 3200-3350 lbs.

Hopefully, Ford's new management seems to understand weight reduction.

Red__Zed 04-28-2011 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1078378)
I'd do it too. A 6 speed manual for happy time and the dual-clutch automatic for happy time + commuting. :icon18:

:tiphat::icon18::tiphat:

Red__Zed 04-28-2011 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 1078376)
So what is your method of not causing the grind in the GT500? People are already trying all sorts of stuff. Making sure the clutch pedal is on the metal, pulling the shifter toward them and back into 2nd, at a "diagonal", etc.

You have to make it a slower shift. It's important to get the clutch in faster, and let things spin down so you can get it in gear.

m4a1mustang 04-28-2011 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 1078382)
Hopefully, Ford's new management seems to understand weight reduction.

The word is that all new models will not be accepted unless they weigh between 250-750 lbs lighter than the model they replace. Knowing Alan Mulally we can live by that word, so you can expect the next gen Mustang to have a maximum weight around 3,350 in GT Coupe form.

m4a1mustang 04-28-2011 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1078390)
You have to make it a slower shift. It's important to get the clutch in faster, and let things spin down so you can get it in gear.

Yep. Don't force it. It's not a race transmission.

ImportConvert 04-28-2011 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1078400)
The word is that all new models will not be accepted unless they weigh between 250-750 lbs lighter than the model they replace. Knowing Alan Mulally we can live by that word, so you can expect the next gen Mustang to have a maximum weight around 3,350 in GT Coupe form.

We will see. If so, and it has IRS, I will be totally impressed. However, Ford will be about a decade late designing what amounts to a C6 corvette, lol

m4a1mustang 04-28-2011 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 1078410)
We will see. If so, and it has IRS, I will be totally impressed. However, Ford will be about a decade late designing what amounts to a C6 corvette, lol

Without the mid-life crisis or small pen0r stigma. :p

perauto 04-28-2011 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 1078410)
We will see. If so, and it has IRS, I will be totally impressed. However, Ford will be about a decade late designing what amounts to a C6 corvette, lol

The problem is if Ford does not invest $$$ in an IRS and uses an updated version of the 03-04 cobra it will suck. I replaced the IRS in my 03 Cobra with a live rear torque arm and panhard bar.

PS I hate the way my 11 GT shifts,I have a Steeda shifter here but need to find time to install it. It does not feel as good as the T56 in mu old cobra but it is smoother and very quiet. I hate to say this but I love a normal T5. It was a great stock trans.
Mark

Red__Zed 04-28-2011 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by perauto (Post 1078442)
The problem is if Ford does not invest $$$ in an IRS and uses an updated version of the 03-04 cobra it will suck. I replaced the IRS in my 03 Cobra with a live rear torque arm and panhard bar.

PS I hate the way my 11 GT shifts,I have a Steeda shifter here but need to find time to install it. It does not feel as good as the T56 in mu old cobra but it is smoother and very quiet. I hate to say this but I love a normal T5. It was a great stock trans.
Mark

I heard of a lot of people doing that due to the crappy IRS. I do hope Ford puts together a solid system, or doesn't do it at all.

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1078423)
Without the mid-life crisis or small pen0r stigma. :p


:ohsnap1:

m4a1mustang 04-28-2011 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by perauto (Post 1078442)
The problem is if Ford does not invest $$$ in an IRS and uses an updated version of the 03-04 cobra it will suck. I replaced the IRS in my 03 Cobra with a live rear torque arm and panhard bar.

PS I hate the way my 11 GT shifts,I have a Steeda shifter here but need to find time to install it. It does not feel as good as the T56 in mu old cobra but it is smoother and very quiet. I hate to say this but I love a normal T5. It was a great stock trans.
Mark

It's a new Ford, though, so I figure if they do it they will do it right.

As far as the transmission goes... look at that Barton shift bracket. Supposedly that makes a HUGE difference in feel over just the short shifter itself. I was going to get the Steeda shifter myself but I am going to wait and get the Barton + Barton bracket when it comes off back order.

ImportConvert 04-28-2011 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1078423)
Without the mid-life crisis or small pen0r stigma. :p

Will they still include a copy of Deliverance in the glove box?

Red__Zed 04-28-2011 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 1078663)
Will they still include a copy of Deliverance in the glove box?

It's in all chevy products

shadoquad 04-28-2011 11:28 AM

Ford vs. Chevy on Nissan Site. News at 11. :rofl2:

m4a1mustang 04-28-2011 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 1078684)
Ford vs. Chevy on Nissan Site. News at 11. :rofl2:

:icon18:

b1adesofcha0s 04-28-2011 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 1078684)
Ford vs. Chevy on Nissan Site. News at 11. :rofl2:

I think we're on threat level midnight now :roflpuke2:

GZ3 04-28-2011 11:35 AM

wow...am full blown mustang guy...lol what happened....just bought my first mustang mag too

steve what muffleres did you get?

ImportConvert 04-28-2011 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1078674)
It's in all chevy products

Yep. Featuring the GT500 squealing and not going anywhere fast like the pig it is :roflpuke2:

Red__Zed 04-28-2011 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 1078731)
Yep. Featuring the GT500 squealing and not going anywhere fast like the pig it is :roflpuke2:

:icon18:

m4a1mustang 04-28-2011 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by GZ3 (Post 1078699)
wow...am full blown mustang guy...lol what happened....just bought my first mustang mag too

steve what muffleres did you get?

FRPP Sport (Borla S-Type).

Shamu 04-28-2011 01:55 PM

Whenever I think about Mustangs on track this is what I envision.

LastHPDEnomusic video by GGolsan - Photobucket

Like I have indicated on flat surfaces they do OK but put some elevation changes in play and they become down right nasty with wicked weight transfer to the front which pretty much makes rears weightless. Put an unskilled driver in that combo with 400 plus HP and your looking for an accident to happen.

GZ3 04-28-2011 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Shamu (Post 1078939)
Whenever I think about Mustangs on track this is what I envision.

LastHPDEnomusic video by GGolsan - Photobucket

lol....well its a new day my friend...time to breath in the new air

Shamu 04-28-2011 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by GZ3 (Post 1078942)
lol....well its a new day my friend...time to breath in the new air

I couldnt resist!:tiphat:

GZ3 04-28-2011 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Shamu (Post 1078947)
I couldnt resist!:tiphat:

:icon18::tup:

Shamu 04-28-2011 02:12 PM

The darn things seem to love to spin and go Turtle when on track? :eek:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJ5dy8G8gzo

b1adesofcha0s 04-28-2011 02:23 PM

Ok so I'm still kind of a n00b when it comes to this stuff so can someone explain to me the difference between the Mustang's SRA and an IRS. Thanks :tup:

Shamu 04-28-2011 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s (Post 1078974)
Ok so I'm still kind of a n00b when it comes to this stuff so can someone explain to me the difference between the Mustang's SRA and an IRS. Thanks :tup:

Well a Mustang SRA is sort of like this but with wider tires and 450 more donkeys

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_31E42A08Db...y_cart+(1).jpg

And 370Z IRS is more like this but with skinnier tires and only about 300 donkeys

http://f1driver.com/images/rear_view.jpg

b1adesofcha0s 04-28-2011 02:44 PM

Thanks :ugh2:

Lug 04-28-2011 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s (Post 1078974)
Ok so I'm still kind of a n00b when it comes to this stuff so can someone explain to me the difference between the Mustang's SRA and an IRS. Thanks :tup:

SRA = Solid Rear Axil = both wheels on a single mechanism something like a teetertotter

IRS = independant rear suspention = wheels move independant of each other.

IRS is better on bumpy roads, harsh road conditions. SRA is generally thought to be better at handling gobs of power cheaply and has slightly less drivetrain loss.

b1adesofcha0s 04-28-2011 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Lug (Post 1079027)
SRA = Solid Rear Axil = both wheels on a single mechanism something like a teetertotter

IRS = independant rear suspention = wheels move independant of each other.

IRS is better on bumpy roads, harsh road conditions. SRA is generally thought to be better at handling gobs of power cheaply and has slightly less drivetrain loss.

That's the answer I was looking for, thanks :tup:

m4a1mustang 04-28-2011 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Shamu (Post 1078996)
Well a Mustang SRA is sort of like this but with wider tires and 450 more donkeys

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_31E42A08Db...y_cart+(1).jpg

And 370Z IRS is more like this but with skinnier tires and only about 300 donkeys

http://f1driver.com/images/rear_view.jpg

Let's see what happens at VIR next month.

m4a1mustang 04-28-2011 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Shamu (Post 1078947)
I couldnt resist!:tiphat:

You can find as many Mustang HPDE crashes as you'd like, but all they are ever going to prove is that the driver made a mistake. Plain and simple. You act as if a Z or Porsche or any car other than a Mustang can't crash on track.

b1adesofcha0s 04-28-2011 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1079039)
You can find as many Mustang HPDE crashes as you'd like, but all they are ever going to prove is that the driver made a mistake. Plain and simple. You act as if a Z or Porsche or any car other than a Mustang can't crash on track.

Yeah I remember someone one here had a video of them crashing at an HPDE at VIR I believe. Didn't flip over, but still spun out and hit the tire wall.

m4a1mustang 04-28-2011 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s (Post 1079052)
Yeah I remember someone one here had a video of them crashing at an HPDE at VIR I believe. Didn't flip over, but still spun out and hit the tire wall.

MightyBobo bit it at VIR, though not too badly.

b1adesofcha0s 04-28-2011 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1079056)
MightyBobo bit it at VIR, though not too badly.

Yeah, just an example of your point though :)


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