Test drove a 5.0 Today

wilsonp · 09-13-2010, 12:07 AM

Like Honda and VTEC, I would think Ford would work out the issues in a more limited run vehicle and the move it mass market.

Lemers · 09-13-2010, 12:14 AM

Ford is already working issues out in limited use with the ecoboost enigines. But before it goes into the mustang V8 5.0 that we've been talking about. Ford will put the DI into a higher volume car. It will increase fleet MPG and defer the cost of tech and retooling in a car that will see a return on the investment faster.

m4a1mustang · 09-13-2010, 09:19 AM

I figured Modshack would be in here soon enough to show that picture. That's why I'm not really worried about DI at all. It doesn't phase me.

Plus, when you can just slap a supercharger on and put 525-625 to the wheels on a stock engine, does it really matter if DI is going to net you a little bit more power? Beyond 450 to the wheels on a street car you're just talking numbers for the sake of numbers.

Endgame · 09-13-2010, 09:27 AM

For those that think the Stang will outhandle the Z.... no. It will not. That is like those of us Z owners that rationalize the Z has a better fit and finish and is faster than the new Cayman S. It is not. Sure there are things we can do to make it fast as/faster, but pound for pound no.

The same exist with the Stang. It is not a GTR that defies the laws of physics. It is the 70's all over again. The Stang is the Muscle, the Z is the Sport. The Stang has the power, the Z has the handling (as m4a1mustang said above). The Stang is like Superman and will take you out with just a powerful thump, whereas the Z is like Batman, more ninja like with a degree of power.

Take your pick and no bashing other! We are all Superfriends!! The bad guys are the Camaros and Challengers. And the Vettes are like Darkseid to us both; they can kick both of us around.

Nissan should have gone with Brembos for the new Z. m4a1mustang, you still should have got the Boss!

Diesel370 · 09-13-2010, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Endgame

For those that think the Stang will outhandle the Z.... no. It will not. That is like those of us Z owners that rationalize the Z has a better fit and finish and is faster than the new Cayman S. It is not. Sure there are things we can do to make it fast as/faster, but pound for pound no.

The same exist with the Stang. It is not a GTR that defies the laws of physics. It is the 70's all over again. The Stang is the Muscle, the Z is the Sport. The Stang has the power, the Z has the handling (as m4a1mustang said above). The Stang is like Superman and will take you out with just a powerful thump, whereas the Z is like Batman, more ninja like with a degree of power.

Take your pick and no bashing other! We are all Superfriends!! The bad guys are the Camaros and Challengers. And the Vettes are like Darkseid to us both; they can kick both of us around.

Nissan should have gone with Brembos for the new Z. m4a1mustang, you still should have got the Boss!

The Stang could certainly out handle the Z in the hands of a capable driver. Just watch this video to see how well the Stang can take the corners.
YouTube - The Falken Azenis RT-615K, How Much Faster Is It?

Also remember Car and Driver tested a bunch of cars at VIR and there was a 1 second difference between the 2010 Mustang GT and 2009 Nismo 370Z. Just imagine what the 2011 Mustang GT would do time wise on this same track. Just goes to show the GT is no slouch in the handling dept anymore.
http://www.caranddriver.com/features...p_2009-feature

Endgame · 09-13-2010, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Diesel370

The Stang could certainly out handle the Z in the hands of a capable driver. Just watch this video to see how well the Stang can take the corners.
YouTube - The Falken Azenis RT-615K, How Much Faster Is It?

Also remember Car and Driver tested a bunch of cars at VIR and there was a 1 second difference between the 2010 Mustang GT and 2009 Nismo 370Z. Just imagine what the 2011 Mustang GT would do time wise on this same track. Just goes to show the GT is no slouch in the handling dept anymore.
The Lightning Lap, 2009 - Feature - Auto Reviews - Car and Driver

The torque was responsible for that; and remember the base Z w/sport is faster than the Nismo. I love the GT and it has made advances in handling, but still not with the Z; maybe closer to the 350z, but not the 370.

GRANTED, I cannot remember what the stock Z is like that much any more as I have not be on stock suspension since May......

GZ3 · 09-13-2010, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Endgame

The torque was responsible for that; and remember the base Z w/sport is faster than the Nismo. I love the GT and it has made advances in handling, but still not with the Z; maybe closer to the 350z, but not the 370.

GRANTED, I cannot remember what the stock Z is like that much any more as I have not be on stock suspension since May......

am going to have to agree big with this, my brother in law traded in his LS1 trans AM for a 5.0 last wednesday and we swapped cars, went on a few cruises, and even had some fun! I will say that the dam tranny in the 5.0 is butter...feels better than the 370z. both my bro in law and i came to the same conclusions after driving each other cars. The Z does handle substantially better. And the 5.0 is Faster...stop or roll...the 5.0 is amazing machine...Its almost impossible for me to say anything negative about this car, and if i did it would be a nit pick...the guages reminded me of an old watch for some reason.

m4a1mustang · 09-13-2010, 09:59 AM

The Z outhandles the Mustang, but like I was saying, not by much. Stock for stock the Mustang will beat the Z on any track (save for maybe an autoX), it just won't put up the skidpad (.97 vs. .99) or slalom numbers the Z does. That's really it.

This is a very surprising car.

I said it before and I'll say it again. The 370Z reminded me a lot of a previous Mustang I owned. The Z to me is kind of like a Japanese Mustang... almost always the underdog and almost always exceeding expectations.

Both cars are excellent values and both cars take the fight to much, much higher end products. I'm lucky to have owned both.

chewonyou · 09-13-2010, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

The Z outhandles the Mustang, but like I was saying, not by much. Stock for stock the Mustang will beat the Z on any track (save for maybe an autoX), it just won't put up the skidpad (.97 vs. .99) or slalom numbers the Z does. That's really it.

This is a very surprising car.

I said it before and I'll say it again. The 370Z reminded me a lot of a previous Mustang I owned. The Z to me is kind of like a Japanese Mustang... almost always the underdog and almost always exceeding expectations.

Both cars are excellent values and both cars take the fight to much, much higher end products. I'm lucky to have owned both.

Z may be "a little bit better" in feel and handling, but it's not enough to offset the amount of power that the Mustang has. You can't say that the Z will be as fast as the Mustang on a track without saying that the Z will as fast as a E92 BMW M3 on a track...

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Well... as long as the Z does not have an oil cooler, the Stang will ALWAYS beat it on the track.

There's no point for Nissan putting on a oil cooler now because what that will let mags do an objective comparison of the 370z vs. the 5.0 on a track and Nissan knows that the 370z will not be able to keep pace with the 5.0 on anything but an autox.

theDreamer · 09-13-2010, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by chewonyou

Z may be "a little bit better" in feel and handling, but it's not enough to offset the amount of power that the Mustang has. You can't say that the Z will be as fast as the Mustang on a track without saying that the Z will as fast as a E92 BMW M3 on a track...

There's no point for Nissan putting on a oil cooler now because what that will let mags do an objective comparison of the 370z vs. the 5.0 on a track and Nissan knows that the 370z will not be able to keep pace with the 5.0 on anything but an autox.

GZ3 · 09-13-2010, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by chewonyou

Z may be "a little bit better" in feel and handling, but it's not enough to offset the amount of power that the Mustang has. You can't say that the Z will be as fast as the Mustang on a track without saying that the Z will as fast as a E92 BMW M3 on a track...

There's no point for Nissan putting on a oil cooler now because what that will let mags do an objective comparison of the 370z vs. the 5.0 on a track and Nissan knows that the 370z will not be able to keep pace with the 5.0 on anything but an autox.

thanks for sharing with what I assume SHOULD be your own personal experience with both vehicles...correct?! BTW no one is trying to downplay the 5.0 here....am having flash backs of driving it like a wild night of sex that I was to drunk to recollect...but wanna remember and experience moooaarr

Endgame · 09-13-2010, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by GZ3

thanks for sharing with what I assume SHOULD be your own personal experience with both vehicles...correct?! BTW no one is trying to downplay the 5.0 here....am having flash backs of driving it like a wild night of sex that I was to drunk to recollect...but wanna remember and experience moooaarr

Exactly. Not downplaying the 5.0 by any means. I am just saying, let's keep it real. The Stang is not a better handler. That is like saying the M3 handles better than a Cayman S. NOPE!

Power, yes, the 5.0 does have. And it is not a bad handler by any means. Just not with the Z.

And, the Z still needs an oil cooler.

Diesel370 · 09-14-2010, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Endgame

Exactly. Not downplaying the 5.0 by any means. I am just saying, let's keep it real. The Stang is not a better handler. That is like saying the M3 handles better than a Cayman S. NOPE!

Power, yes, the 5.0 does have. And it is not a bad handler by any means. Just not with the Z.

And, the Z still needs an oil cooler.

The M3 DOES handle better than the Cayman S. And the '11 Mustang GT has OUT HANDLED the Nissan 370z. The Mustang can even out handle the Cayman!! Oh boy You're just full of assumptions aren't you?

At VIR:
Cayman S 3:05.8
BMW M3 3:05.4

At Willow Springs
Cayman S 1:28
BMW M3 1:27
'11 Mustang GT 1:27
Nissan 370Z 1:28

At Laguna Seca
Cayman S 1:43
BMW M3 1:42

At Nordschleife:
Cayman S 8:06
BMW M3 8:05

At Autozeitung:
Cayman S 1:41
BMW M3 1:40

Endgame · 09-13-2010, 11:49 AM

Well... as long as the Z does not have an oil cooler, the Stang will ALWAYS beat it on the track. I still think the Z handily outhandles the Stang from my experience. The slalom numbers have always been a pretty good indicator aside from real world experience. The Z truly does handle more like a Cayman S; the Stang is just not there to me. The 350z may have been the Japanese Mustang, but this 370z feels more like a Japenese Porsche to me.

What mods are you planning for the GT?

m4a1mustang · 09-13-2010, 11:56 AM

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What mods are you planning for the GT?

Exhaust and intake/tune for the engine initially. FRPP has a handling pack out with upgraded shocks/struts, sways, springs, etc that looks pretty nice.

As soon as I get a second car it's getting a blower.

09-13-2010, 12:07 AM	#1 (permalink)
wilsonp A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,134 Drives: 2009 Touring Sp Nav Rep Power: 18	Like Honda and VTEC, I would think Ford would work out the issues in a more limited run vehicle and the move it mass market. __________________ 2014 Cayman S PDK Sport Chrono White/Black Was 2009 370Z Touring Sport+Nav 7AT Metallic Black/Persimmon Was 1991 NSX Auto Black/Black

09-13-2010, 12:14 AM	#2 (permalink)
Lemers A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Izmir, Turkey Posts: 15,371 Drives: 2012 Traverse LTZ Rep Power: 54	Ford is already working issues out in limited use with the ecoboost enigines. But before it goes into the mustang V8 5.0 that we've been talking about. Ford will put the DI into a higher volume car. It will increase fleet MPG and defer the cost of tech and retooling in a car that will see a return on the investment faster. __________________ 2010 Black Cherry Touring/Sport/Nav Now - 2012 Travese LTZ until I leave for Turkey

09-13-2010, 09:19 AM	#3 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6964	I figured Modshack would be in here soon enough to show that picture. That's why I'm not really worried about DI at all. It doesn't phase me. Plus, when you can just slap a supercharger on and put 525-625 to the wheels on a stock engine, does it really matter if DI is going to net you a little bit more power? Beyond 450 to the wheels on a street car you're just talking numbers for the sake of numbers. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

09-13-2010, 09:59 AM	#8 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6964	The Z outhandles the Mustang, but like I was saying, not by much. Stock for stock the Mustang will beat the Z on any track (save for maybe an autoX), it just won't put up the skidpad (.97 vs. .99) or slalom numbers the Z does. That's really it. This is a very surprising car. I said it before and I'll say it again. The 370Z reminded me a lot of a previous Mustang I owned. The Z to me is kind of like a Japanese Mustang... almost always the underdog and almost always exceeding expectations. Both cars are excellent values and both cars take the fight to much, much higher end products. I'm lucky to have owned both. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

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09-13-2010, 09:27 AM	#4 (permalink)
Endgame A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Phoenix Posts: 1,613 Drives: Nothing Now! Rep Power: 225	For those that think the Stang will outhandle the Z.... no. It will not. That is like those of us Z owners that rationalize the Z has a better fit and finish and is faster than the new Cayman S. It is not. Sure there are things we can do to make it fast as/faster, but pound for pound no. The same exist with the Stang. It is not a GTR that defies the laws of physics. It is the 70's all over again. The Stang is the Muscle, the Z is the Sport. The Stang has the power, the Z has the handling (as m4a1mustang said above). The Stang is like Superman and will take you out with just a powerful thump, whereas the Z is like Batman, more ninja like with a degree of power. Take your pick and no bashing other! We are all Superfriends!! The bad guys are the Camaros and Challengers. And the Vettes are like Darkseid to us both; they can kick both of us around. Nissan should have gone with Brembos for the new Z. m4a1mustang, you still should have got the Boss!

09-13-2010, 11:49 AM	#14 (permalink)
Endgame A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Phoenix Posts: 1,613 Drives: Nothing Now! Rep Power: 225	Well... as long as the Z does not have an oil cooler, the Stang will ALWAYS beat it on the track. I still think the Z handily outhandles the Stang from my experience. The slalom numbers have always been a pretty good indicator aside from real world experience. The Z truly does handle more like a Cayman S; the Stang is just not there to me. The 350z may have been the Japanese Mustang, but this 370z feels more like a Japenese Porsche to me. What mods are you planning for the GT?