2011 Mustang 5.0 Turbo

m4a1mustang · 08-05-2010, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Red370

I agree, cant someone make a high horsepower car nowadays and keep the weight around 3200 lbs? doesnt seem like that would be a hard mission to accomplish..

Well, the Mustang is a light car for it's size. It's only a couple hundred lbs heavier than a Touring/Sport 370Z.

Compare it to cars in it's class and it's a true lightweight. The Camaro comes in around 3800lbs and the Challenger tips the scales at over 4000.

To put things into perspective, a Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano weighs about 3800 lbs!

shadoquad · 08-05-2010, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Well, the Mustang is a light car for it's size. It's only a couple hundred lbs heavier than a Touring/Sport 370Z.

Compare it to cars in it's class and it's a true lightweight. The Camaro comes in around 3800lbs and the Challenger tips the scales at over 4000.

To put things into perspective, a Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano weighs about 3800 lbs!

Oh, granted that the Stang is a notable exception. As is the Z imo.

My problem with larger vehicles is the idea that moar wait = saif tea. While it's true that the bigger car wins in a collision (thank you physics), it is also true that a lighter vehicle tends to be more maneuverable, easier to stop/accelerate, and therefore more likely to avoid the accident in the first place (the part of physics that NHTSA guys skimmed). That's the crux of my usual rant.

LiquidZ · 08-05-2010, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Red370

I agree, cant someone make a high horsepower car nowadays and keep the weight around 3200 lbs? doesnt seem like that would be a hard mission to accomplish..

That usually entails 2 seat sport cars (Corvette, Z), high dollar sports cars made with exotic materials, or piddly 4 bangers.

shadoquad · 08-05-2010, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

Oh, granted that the Stang is a notable exception. As is the Z imo.

My problem with larger vehicles is the idea that moar wait = saif tea. While it's true that the bigger car wins in a collision (thank you physics), it is also true that a lighter vehicle tends to be more maneuverable, easier to stop/accelerate, and therefore more likely to avoid the accident in the first place (the part of physics that NHTSA guys skimmed). That's the crux of my usual rant.

continued rant:

Plus the continuous bloating gives diminishing returns. Don't buy a 5-star rated minivan from 1997 and expect it to be safe. If it smacks into the same minivan from 2005, it's the accordion, while the 2005 model which is much heavier survives less scathed.

But this is all drifting off topic.

m4a1mustang · 08-05-2010, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by LiquidZ

That isually entails 2 seat sport cars (Corvette, Z), high dollar sports cars made with exotic materials, or piddly 4 bangers.

Truth. Two seaters fall in that low 3k lb zone.

Red370 · 08-05-2010, 12:28 PM

4 seater honda civics are pretty light no? granted they have 4 cyl engines, but an aluminum block V8 shouldnt stack too much more onto the weight right?

m4a1mustang · 08-05-2010, 12:31 PM

Yes they are light, but they are also compact cars, so compared to a Mustang they are tiny.

Like I said before the Mustang is a lightweight compared to cars of its size.

shadoquad · 08-05-2010, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Yes they are light, but they are also compact cars, so compared to a Mustang they are tiny.

Like I said before the Mustang is a lightweight compared to cars of its size.

Yes, 400hp to 3600lbs is great power-to-weight ratio. The Challenger is the bloated beast in this segment, although it'll have smokin' power soon enough. I'd probably still prefer a Z or Stang to it.

Although, I love a good light roadster like a Miata or an Elise. Light weight, small 4 banger. It's not a drag strip star, but it'll tear up corners.

And the MS3 is pretty nice for a 4-door grocery hauler. It's a compact, but it's brutal fun.

Red370 · 08-05-2010, 12:40 PM

I'm thinkin Toyota Corolla with a 5.0 swap.

LiquidZ · 08-05-2010, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Red370

4 seater honda civics are pretty light no? granted they have 4 cyl engines, but an aluminum block V8 shouldnt stack too much more onto the weight right?

The downside to the OHC design is the packaging. This is another reason I love the pushrod LS engine. My dad's LS7 was much smaller than my 4.6 mod motor, even though the displacement would lead you to believe otherwise.

The Mustang is definitely really light for its segment, but not the lightest on the road. Early reports say Ford engineers are going with the "less is more" approach with the next gen. Mustang to lower the weight.

mrcardio · 08-05-2010, 01:52 PM

The 11' Mustang GT is roughly the same weight / power as the E92 M3. I think I would still rather have the M3 though regardless of cost. I've read that the next Z will have an upgraded limited slip (apparently the current one is basically crap) come stock with oil cooler and possibly a new motor supplied by Mercedes. Supposedly it will have a lot more torque and be more refined vs. the max-out /trashy VQ.

GZ3 · 08-05-2010, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

I disagree with that. The Z is great with FI application, but you are already starting out HP/TQ wise ahead in the 5.0 which when you add more you stay ahead. Will the Mustang be able to balance more power and keep drive ability in check? I would think so.

I meant bad, as in good lol the 370Z is awesome in FI world....i also admire the new GT, so I see what yall are talking about

GZ3 · 08-05-2010, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by mrcardio

The 11' Mustang GT is roughly the same weight / power as the E92 M3. I think I would still rather have the M3 though regardless of cost. I've read that the next Z will have an upgraded limited slip (apparently the current one is basically crap) come stock with oil cooler and possibly a new motor supplied by Mercedes. Supposedly it will have a lot more torque and be more refined vs. the max-out /trashy VQ.

maxed out trashy VQ?? this is the 370z . com not my 350z . com.... the 3.7 VHR is an amazing motor sir, idk what your talking about

theDreamer · 08-05-2010, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by mrcardio

The 11' Mustang GT is roughly the same weight / power as the E92 M3. I think I would still rather have the M3 though regardless of cost. I've read that the next Z will have an upgraded limited slip (apparently the current one is basically crap) come stock with oil cooler and possibly a new motor supplied by Mercedes. Supposedly it will have a lot more torque and be more refined vs. the max-out /trashy VQ.

Who is giving you any of this information?

Waiz · 08-05-2010, 02:30 PM

Wow, that thing is a beast!!

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mrcardio Base Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Central Florida Posts: 219 Drives: 08 MS3 Rep Power: 14	The 11' Mustang GT is roughly the same weight / power as the E92 M3. I think I would still rather have the M3 though regardless of cost. I've read that the next Z will have an upgraded limited slip (apparently the current one is basically crap) come stock with oil cooler and possibly a new motor supplied by Mercedes. Supposedly it will have a lot more torque and be more refined vs. the max-out /trashy VQ. __________________ ‹^› ‹(•¿•)› ‹^› Last edited by mrcardio; 08-05-2010 at 02:05 PM.

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