2019 Camaro SS commits Hara Kiri...

ImportConvert · 03-28-2019, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by danegrey

Late to the conversation
-- I like a manual thou I coincide that Auto is the way to go
-- My Z has not had any mechanical problems and I have made many mods to it and track it about 3-4 times a year (fingerscrossed)
-- Only problems with the has been some paint issues and Nissan took care of them
-- SUV - hopefully never, but things change in life...

my 2 cents....

I used to be anti-SUV, but it became what I had to have to get to and from home/work. It's worth the trade-off, to me. I want to live where I don't have to see or hear people? It took an SUV. Also...road trips. My SUV experience blew my mind. I used to think it was dumb how people complained about sports cars for road trips (I figured they were just hating because they had a bunch of whelps and couldn't afford a sports car + a minivan...). Well, they kinda are onto something. 65dB for 10 hours + radio is a LOT easier on me than 70-74dB + radio for 10 hours. It's a huge amount of fatigue I was having that I never really even "noticed" until it didn't exist. Obviously some luxury and very high end sports cars don't experience this, but under $50K, it's SUV territory.

UNKNOWN_370 · 03-30-2019, 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

I used to be anti-SUV, but it became what I had to have to get to and from home/work. It's worth the trade-off, to me. I want to live where I don't have to see or hear people? It took an SUV. Also...road trips. My SUV experience blew my mind. I used to think it was dumb how people complained about sports cars for road trips (I figured they were just hating because they had a bunch of whelps and couldn't afford a sports car + a minivan...). Well, they kinda are onto something. 65dB for 10 hours + radio is a LOT easier on me than 70-74dB + radio for 10 hours. It's a huge amount of fatigue I was having that I never really even "noticed" until it didn't exist. Obviously some luxury and very high end sports cars don't experience this, but under $50K, it's SUV territory.

I can't subscribe to this logic on an enthusiast forum. SUV vs sports car compares is sacrilegious.

ImportConvert · 03-30-2019, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

I can't subscribe to this logic on an enthusiast forum. SUV vs sports car compares is sacrilegious.

Meh. When you live where sports cars can't sensibly go, you find alternatives, and for me, alternative vehicles that are still fun beat living where I have to see and hear people any day of the week, and twice on days I dont have to go to work.

ZCanadian · 03-30-2019, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

I can't subscribe to this logic on an enthusiast forum. SUV vs sports car compares is sacrilegious.

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

Meh. When you live where sports cars can't sensibly go, you find alternatives, and for me, alternative vehicles that are still fun beat living where I have to see and hear people any day of the week, and twice on days I dont have to go to work.

And there are some crazy *** SUV’s out there right now.
Cayene, Macan, Stelvio Q, Cherokee TrackHawk, Durango SRT, some Bimmer //M’s and anything with AMG in front of the name, for instance. These aren’t your momma’s urban assault vehicles anymore! ;-)

danegrey · 03-31-2019, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

I used to be anti-SUV, but it became what I had to have to get to and from home/work. It's worth the trade-off, to me. I want to live where I don't have to see or hear people? It took an SUV. Also...road trips. My SUV experience blew my mind. I used to think it was dumb how people complained about sports cars for road trips (I figured they were just hating because they had a bunch of whelps and couldn't afford a sports car + a minivan...). Well, they kinda are onto something. 65dB for 10 hours + radio is a LOT easier on me than 70-74dB + radio for 10 hours. It's a huge amount of fatigue I was having that I never really even "noticed" until it didn't exist. Obviously some luxury and very high end sports cars don't experience this, but under $50K, it's SUV territory.

I'm not an anti-SUV, I understand what you are saying, I actually to rent a nice vehicle for vacation trips be it a car/SUV/cross over. I myself do not want to own one. I prefer to have a sporty type car to drive. I enjoy driving my Z all the time. it is a between a track and DD. So I accept the compromise. My DD for this past winter has been a mini cooper convertible. I just prefer driving a sporty type car,

ImportConvert · 04-01-2019, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by danegrey

I'm not an anti-SUV, I understand what you are saying, I actually to rent a nice vehicle for vacation trips be it a car/SUV/cross over. I myself do not want to own one. I prefer to have a sporty type car to drive. I enjoy driving my Z all the time. it is a between a track and DD. So I accept the compromise. My DD for this past winter has been a mini cooper convertible. I just prefer driving a sporty type car,

My cx5 turbo is pretty fun. More sorted suspension than my Z was, way more torque, but less top end and not as fast of course, 0-60 taking a bit over 6 seconds. However, i can't own a Z where I live, so it wasnt much of a quandary.

Zingston · 04-01-2019, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

My cx5 turbo is pretty fun. More sorted suspension than my Z was, way more torque, but less top end and not as fast of course, 0-60 taking a bit over 6 seconds. However, i can't own a Z where I live, so it wasnt much of a quandary.

No excuses man! Could have jacked that suspension 2 inches, added some off road tires and Hella lighting to the front bumper, and rallied out your Z ride. Ha ha!

bunk · 04-02-2019, 07:44 AM

Arguing if an SUV is better than a Sports Car is like arguing which is better, an F16, or a Boeing 747. They both fly but serve different purposes...
I have a Z and a Honda Passport. If I want to have fun driving, Ill take the Z out. If I dont want to worry about steep driveways or want to haul people or cargo, Ill take the Passport.

Rusty · 04-02-2019, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by bunk

Arguing if an SUV is better than a Sports Car is like arguing which is better, an F16, or a Boeing 747. They both fly but serve different purposes...
I have a Z and a Honda Passport. If I want to have fun driving, Ill take the Z out. If I dont want to worry about steep driveways or want to haul people or cargo, Ill take the Passport.

If I'm hauling people around, shopping or snow, it's the Grand Cherokee. Just me and the wifey or doing trackdays, it's the Z. If I hauling stuff or off roading, it's the PowerWagon. Just me and nice weather, it's the bike. Traveling and camping, it's the motorhome.

Each fills a different purpose.

Zingston · 04-02-2019, 04:52 PM

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If I'm hauling people around, shopping or snow, it's the Grand Cherokee. Just me and the wifey or doing trackdays, it's the Z. If I hauling stuff or off roading, it's the PowerWagon. Just me and nice weather, it's the bike. Traveling and camping, it's the motorhome.

Each fills a different purpose.

Or it could just be the Power Wagon all the time!

Rusty · 04-02-2019, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Zingston

Or it could just be the Power Wagon all the time!

I love that truck. It does everything I ask of it. It has taken me places that I would be scared to walk to. Plus it has never let me down. If I had to go to one vehicle. It would be that truck.

Zingston · 04-02-2019, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty

I love that truck. It does everything I ask of it. It has taken me places that I would be scared to walk to. Plus it has never let me down. If I had to go to one vehicle. It would be that truck.

Same as with my Commander! That beast won't quit!

ZCanadian · 04-02-2019, 08:52 PM

Umm, he said 27 to 30% grade, not 30 degrees.
Still steep. But only about half that (16 degrees).

Zingston · 04-02-2019, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ZCanadian

Umm, he said 27 to 30% grade, not 30 degrees.
Still steep. But only about half that (16 degrees).

With loose gravel.

ImportConvert · 04-02-2019, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Zingston

With loose gravel.

Yup, and at 300ft or so, paving it would cost as much as a lightly used 370z, taking drainage, grade, etc. Into consideration . So awd it is, for now.

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04-02-2019, 08:52 PM	#13 (permalink)
ZCanadian A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Canada Posts: 1,061 Drives: 2013 370Z Rep Power: 60274	Umm, he said 27 to 30% grade, not 30 degrees. Still steep. But only about half that (16 degrees).