2020 Supra... first thoughts

UNKNOWN_370 · 02-12-2019, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler

The Supra/BMW would be just like if Nissan made a new GTR/Audi. No thanks. The powertrain has always been what made the Japanese cars great. Long life and low maintenance.

I posted an article where BMW had to send every engine part to toyota to pass their reliability inspections. And no engine part went into the Supra without Toyota's approval.

Cyber370 · 02-13-2019, 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

I posted an article where BMW had to send every engine part to toyota to pass their reliability inspections. And no engine part went into the Supra without Toyota's approval.

I doubt that BMW would’ve changed anything if a component did not pass Toyota’s expected level of reliability. Why would they? As far as BMW is concerned, they build the best. Toyota is just a customer wanting a piece of their action. Not the other way around.

Zingston · 02-13-2019, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Cyber370

I doubt that BMW would’ve changed anything if a component did not pass Toyota’s expected level of reliability. Why would they? As far as BMW is concerned, they build the best. Toyota is just a customer wanting a piece of their action. Not the other way around.

True... but in this case Toyota is still the "customer". Also if BMW were a she, then Toyota would be wanting a piece of her action.

UNKNOWN_370 · 02-13-2019, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Cyber370

I doubt that BMW would’ve changed anything if a component did not pass Toyota’s expected level of reliability. Why would they? As far as BMW is concerned, they build the best. Toyota is just a customer wanting a piece of their action. Not the other way around.

That's your personal doubt versus BMW and Toyota's statement. But as to why? Why wouldn't BMW try to improve its reputation for reliability since they've lost their ground as a benchmark from Cadillac and Alfa. Now they're saying Genesis is better. Reliability would be a great way for BMW to get back some of its fan base. People love Bimmers but feel safer in Infiniti, Cadillac etc... Due to they're more reliable and parts are cheaper. Also audi has been taking a huge share out of BMW because their reliability ratings have shot up since 2012 have been steadily increasing. So yeah... It pays for BMW to make more reliable engines.
And toyota never made an unreliable anything. Why would they start now?

Cyber370 · 02-13-2019, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

That's your personal doubt versus BMW and Toyota's statement. But as to why? Why wouldn't BMW try to improve its reputation for reliability since they've lost their ground as a benchmark from Cadillac and Alfa. Now they're saying Genesis is better. Reliability would be a great way for BMW to get back some of its fan base. People love Bimmers but feel safer in Infiniti, Cadillac etc... Due to they're more reliable and parts are cheaper. Also audi has been taking a huge share out of BMW because their reliability ratings have shot up since 2012 have been steadily increasing. So yeah... It pays for BMW to make more reliable engines.
And toyota never made an unreliable anything. Why would they start now?

Well, hope you’re right. Time will tell if the new Supra lives up to Toyota’s reliability goals. But, if I was a betting man.....

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