C8 first test drive!!!!!
 

https://youtu.be/nUHNATBzFjE

This thing cuts curves like a knife. Its insane!!!!

Matt, I dont know... something rubs me the wrong way about his reviews. He just seems to have clear and present biases. It's like on the track. He's going bananas. Then a week later hes talking like the car is average at best.

I'm not trying to fanboy this thing. I love honesty. But his honest just seemed more like a calculated. Let's not give chevy that much props just cuz I am NOT a GM guy. He kinda makes it clear he hates GM and Nissan. So it feels like no matter what you do? They will never make a good enough car for him. This video showed me an $85,000 track beast. But you know what? I like watching the not so professional you tube reviewers. They just take a more realistic non-corporate approach to reviewing. And their biases are fewer than the professionals. I think all I need from the pro's are the lightning lap times. The rest, I'll get from real world, salt of the earth enthusiasts.

I can understand about the rev criticisms though. I thought about that while the car was in camouflage. I'm not saying that hes not making valid points. But the post commenta and his delivery of his points just were ehh?

:confused:

Wrong link.

Fixed and thanks. Stupid phone didnt grab the link when I copied

Just a “Snap-Crackle & POP” link :ugh2:

Car looked great, unsure about the mid 80’s hairband comment :confused:
But enjoyed seeing the Tabby Cat :icon17:

:iagree:

Talk it up & shoot it down :shakes head:

I'm gonna buy the **** out of a used one in a few years.

I mean if he dogs the s*** out a car manufacturer, they aren't going to give him the same access to future models. If he dogged the hell out of GM's new Corvette, I imagine they would have gutted him like a fish in pit lane lol

You do know he is a Corvette guy through and through.

It's weird. Just watching the video, and even if you mute his comments, you can just tell how it can handle and change direction with ease.

I'm not totally peeved by his after-the-fact comments. I can imagine the shifting on the street to be a work in progress, steering doesn't sound surprising given how electric PS cars can be now, the materials are also expected given price point.

Even though I was going to play the long game and not want to be a guinea pig, I feel like the lead times compounded with the possible delays due to the strike, and the reveal of the C8.R with slowly leaking details, makes me think I'm better off saving for a Z06....on top of waiting out the guinea pig stage of that as well.

I got to see the new vette up close and personal at petite lemans this last weekend. I was actually impressed after looking at it. The C8R was there too and took a couple of laps before the race and was in the Fan Area. And actually saw one on the road, a person showed up at a restaurant I was eating at.

I never seen him give that type of love to corvettes, but I see him always comparing what he drives to the GT350. But if you say hes a corvette guy? I'll believe you.

Jim just sayin, his choice of words.
It just seems like he just wants to be "that guy" so he was reaching with certain comments.
I'm ready to hear opinions from other drivers that have more concise emotions .
He was blown away on the track. And I wish he had some footage of him on the road so I can see his as it happens emotions. Cuz he definitely majorly downplayed how he felt on track as an afterthought.

I think Matt did have a modded c5, non the less great review on the c8, never seen him giggle so much, must be a fun car to drive.

The STATS ARE IN!!!
 

0-60. = 2.80
1/4m. = 11.1
Lateral g = 1.04g
Braking 60-0 = 97ft
Top speed. = 194mph

Theres an advantage to not getting z51 and front end lift. Modding the understeer out of the car. Understeer present for the street.

Which means the grand sport and zo6 will be dialed in perfect. :driving: cant wait.

https://youtu.be/pNZvHVqvk6s

soooooo for 60-70k go buy a GTR.

same numbers as above but it can corner.

:stirthepot:

GT-R, not new, rotates not so well, same brake fade issues as vette, no warranty, and GM gives us a track warranty. Not Nissan. And the vette is lower COG and 400lbs lighter.

yeaaaaaaaaa but im 32 not 62.

vette requires an AARP card.

also, the vette has always been absolutely worthless unless it's a Z06.

i'll wait and see what they release in 2022.

GTR has all the weight of an electric, without the instant torque.
:stirthepot:
(how do you like me now)

I'd take a lighter car for performance and handling (as well as the cost of consumables) any day. Braking and turning will be night and day different for 400 fewer pounds and a mid-engine layout, unless they really screwed up the Vette's suspension - something that it does not appear they have done.

Kudos to GM - looks so far like a respectable entry. We'll see how it fares (value and reliability wise), but it seems to make a great first impression.

But you might be right to wait until 2022, as there will be better variants coming down the pipe. Whether or not they keep the relative value that this car represents in future, remains to be seen.

have you ever launched a GTR? i'd say the torque is 100% there lol

but yes, if i ever would go vette it would be a C8 Z06 at the minimum.

also, i'm still holding out some hope that the newest info i heard regarding the next Z is true.

You know I'm just pulling your chain, right? :ugh2:

yea i've been in FB 370 group hell the past week dealing with mouth breathers.

my sarcasm meter is a touch off.

I'm 46 but I literally look 24. I'm burdened with dating COLLEGE chics cuz women my age think I'm too young looking. I put them to shame. :icon17:
That said, The C7 really turned the geezer meter down on who purchased the corvette. I saw more young guys in vettes than ever. I'm sure streetspeed 717 played a huge part in that trend. But if you think this vette is going to attract geezers? You're delusional. Lol. This car was designed strictly for the the younger generation. They just made sure to leave a lot of OG corvette characteristics so the geezers dont feel alienated.

All that said. Right now a base corvette matches a GTR in 60 times and top speed and gets higher G's on the skid pad. So right now you're driving a car with the same exact stats as the car you say isnt even worth buying. Yet you did back flips to get a GT-R. I mean I understand if you want a Z06. That's an awesome goal. But you kinda short changing the vette when right now you can cop GT-R Performance for $67,000 + tax. That's something to respect. I just saw thg he new GTR render. N I'm sure it will be a Z06 competitor, not a z51 competitor. It will be an interesting battle. That said. I'd take the driving dynamics of RWD over AWD any day. Lastly. The GTR is AWD cuz Nissan said there was no way to get under 3 seconds in a RWD. Chevy did it first. So that's a huge feat. And... they did it with not 1000hp. But with 490hp for less than 70k. That's a big deal my man. :driving::tiphat:

Corvette Dynoed!
 

So where Corvette got their numbers from? I dont know? But this dyno says it pushed over 600hp at the crank. Over 550hp at the wheels.
Talk about UNDERRATED!!!

https://www.motortrend.com/news/2020...c8-power-dyno/

yea but like every other Z tuner they probably loaded the numbers lol

:bowrofl:

Hmmm, Mustang Dyno - invariably quite wrong, but typically comes in low.
Interesting.

It sounds like there is a lot of guesswork in going back up the drivetrain, though.

This is not a new engine for GM. They know every inch of it, and last I checked, they've been in the car business for quite a while - long enough to know what they are doing. I'm thinking that the manufacturer wouldn't under-state the actual HP figure by that much, so doubting that the test and report are really much more than click bait. But GM won't mind the extra attention, just the same!

We'll see? That's what they thought about the first Supra dyno. Then everyone and their grandma was pulling at least an extra 50hp. Time will tell.

Edit:

So I configured my Z51 C8... To the exact spec i would like. Its $92,800. Nearly 33,000 over MSRP. And i haven't loaded it yet. Let me see what i can do as bare bones.

To have the cheapest but fulfilling corvette experience, I configured at $79,285.

So if you really think about it, the Supra being $53,000 doesnt make it a comparable car to the corvette. Equally featured there is a $26,000 difference. If you buy a base corvette you make a lot of functionality and appearance sacrifices. At that point, itll be best just to buy a black car to hide you're driving a featureless vette.

The corvette and supra does not compete in a sense. They're 2 stand alone sports cars that will be hard to cross shop. You can try to compare a Z and Supra but the Supra is league's ahead of the Z in performance.
Same with a Cayman to a vette. The cayman is non existent in power to a vette at this price. At this point, the Cayman needs to change its price identity to fit between a vette and a supra or really go up in power. One or the other.

In the end, though both these cars dont compete, the both changed the game in there price ranges. Somebody needs to change the game in the 86 range. It would be nice to see a TRUE 86 killer. Nissan coulda done it with the IDX concept, but you know... Nissan.

If you check off every option you can get well over 100k in no time. I want to know what the next z06 is going to run.

Yeah, you can easily load it up and get the price up but I built and ordered mine at a decent price of 66k. I ordered a 1LT Z51 with black mirrors/spoiler, yellow color option, yellow calipers. Honestly aside from gadgets and color options what does the 2LT and 3LT interior options offer that is really needed? The engine appearance package is pointless as aftermarket will undoubtedly have better and cheaper options. So I opted out, which was a huge consensus on the Vette boards. The lift feature is nice but the C8 rides higher than my current lowered Z06 and I get around okay. So I'm sure my C8 will be even easier to get around in. I'm sure for others the lift feature is a necessity. Wheels are a joke. Going to go aftermarket with that as well. Most on the Vette board found after the excitment wore off and things settled out that most of the options weren't needed/wanted. Most built a car in the mid 60's to low 70's.

Now while the supra at that point doesn't compete in price I will say that here on the west coast toyota is still marking them up. I have one dealer here in town wanting 82k for theirs and another dealer is asking 70k. While I like the supra, one thing I can personally think, is that in person it looks like the same class as a 370z, Camaro, Mustang. Meaning looking at it it doesn't look like a 50k car. It looks like it should carry a price tag closer to 40k. I also think price for performance this car should start about 10k lower than it does. The only way I would cancel my Vette order would be if the supra came with a manual. And then it would be an easy choice: base model supra with manual tranny. Because again, there is nothing on the options list aside from color that interest me.

I buy cars for the engine and suspension, not the gadgets. So understand thats where I'm coming from. I still enjoy driving my bare bones 280z with no a/c or heat. So again things like heat seats and garage link and memory seats and BS like that doesn't even register to me on a sports car.

I did put the LT2 pkg and the lt 3 in both my configs. I have the same mindset as u when it comes to sports cars EXCEPT with these American sports cars. If you're buying them new? A base model tanks in depreciation way worse than a LT2 or 3 model. And if you pl azz n on shelling out 70k or better on a sports car... you might as well get your money out of it. Like say a camaro. A 1SS here in texas you can get for as low as $27k used. A 2SS will go around 33k to 35k. The spread widens from new to used... same with the vette. American cars in their base configuration look cheap. So without the extra crap people in the used market keep fishing. So making a corvette stand out from the rest is basically how u get top dollar. At least here in tx. This is s state where sports cars sell though. So you have to make the resale more appealing to get top dollar.

Unlike a 370z the used market stays tight. A base or base + sport only has a 1500 difference on the used market. Most people are willing to buy any used Z they can get their hands on. The abundance isnt there. And nismos sell about 7k more which is right in between a 1ss and 2ss in price.

Big bother spying on my phone and this popped up.
 

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/driv...he-real-world/


This article advocates for slow sports cars!!!
Phooey!!!:eekdance:

Welcome to 1984. :shakes head:

Both my Z and Camaro felt very steerable. Todays modern transmissions help you get in the right gear and distribute the power very well. When I'm on the street and I'm having fun, I don't go past 4th or 5th gear. That's how my car stays fun. And my stock camaro corners better than my modded Z. But the Z's size inspires more confidence. So I'll call them even for the street. These cars arent 600hp but are stupid fast for what they are. For me600hp is overkill... but I am sure glad they exist and people buy them!! And I dont think it's out of touch to make them. I think car companies are out of touch in how to make them more appealing. Enthusiasts speak. The companies dont listen. That's the truth!!

So I dunno what

I'm talking about Big Brother spying on you. :shakes head:

Lol... that too

I like "slow" sports cars. It's more fun to be able to drive a car than to have to baby the car everywhere. Or, it's more fun to drive a slow car fast, than a fast car slow. I think the Z balances that line pretty well.


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Wouldnt the M be better suited for MX 5 since you're already spelling out miatas?

Having seen Miatas pass Caymans on track, I completely agree with your comments.

Driving a slow car fast is an accomplishment. Learning to do that is an education. Skills that you can transfer to more powerful vehicles as your career progresses

Driving a fast car fast is inevitable, and proves nothing about the capability of the driver. In fact, horsepower can do a lot to hide driver mistakes (it can also do a lot to cause small mistakes to become big crashes as countless YouTube videos will attest).

If you can wring everything out of Miata first, then you're going to be both safe and blisteringly fast in something with greater power (even despite its extra weight). Yeah, the Corvette, or Camaro, or GTR will blast down the straight way quicker, but "straights are for fast cars, corners are for fast drivers", and a (good, like the MX5) lightweight sports car with someone capable behind the wheel, can typically make up tons of time in the corners. So, it all depends on the track. If you spend time on the Nurburgring, forget it. My home track, OTOH, is a perfect example of one where low horsepower cars well driven can equal some much more powerful metal.

It's also more fun to go through all of the gears on the street (typical of a "slow car"), than to be limited to third or lower by speeds and traffic even on the highway. I have friends with 458's and MacLarens who cannot legally ever get above 3rd gear!

The fact that Rob Wilson has used a Vauxall Astra for years to teach more than half of the drivers on the Formula 1 grid how to go faster, is all the proof that I need to confirm this thesis!

Real drivers can make anything turn a corner hard and fast. Most people dont like the camaro cuz though it has high g's, its limited view and ultra wide body hamper your confidence.
In my case, when I felt I was dealing with a superior platform. I decided to overcome my own perceived limitations and master its size. Driving my little Z had no real effort for me to drive it hard. I fixed that with the suspension setup and my skills took over.

My camaro, it took two flat tires replacing my right front rim and cracking my underbody shield to confidently hit corners and realize where my right front end was in really tight angles where a car that size shouldnt be.

But since I can feel that suspension is so great I can make that car do little car acrobatics. I learned my cars geometry with hard lessons on a complex track n dead roads But I'm rewarded for it.

The game, is the game. Pick the tool thats best FOR YOU you need to play it. Being the best is just pushing yourself to be that and making the adjustments you have to take to make yourself a better driver! If miata's make you feel like you will be a better driver? Do it!!
But theres more than one way to skin a cat.
Ricky Bobby did it with a cougar in his backseat. :bowrofl::driving:

https://www.motor1.com/news/378121/2...est-exclusive/

Analysis as to why MT's dyno is wrong .
Makes sense... but I do know the current gen engines are underrated by about 24hp on average. So I wouldnt be surprised if the vette has more power, though these numbers seem high.

Edit: I am inaccurate a little.

The automatics underrated average is about 16hp, the manuals are higher to about 24hp.