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UNKNOWN_370 09-03-2018 07:26 PM

C8 mid-engine corvette. GM loves their people.
 
https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...gine-corvette/

If this car is 100k or less? This will be the sickest bargain in in automotive history!!!

SG4247 09-03-2018 08:16 PM

As a big block C2 owner, engines go in the front...

This is pure outrage!

sunkist350z 09-03-2018 09:05 PM

Not a corvette fan but it is looking exotic. Cross between the nsx and a Ferrari.

Shoeshear 09-03-2018 10:22 PM

Like sunkist said, very exotic-like. Doesn't look even reminiscent of current gen vette. Hopefully it'll look great. Always thought corvettes had great proportions.

SouthArk370Z 09-03-2018 10:29 PM

The short hood just doesn't look like a Corvette to me. The big vents behind the doors aren't very Corvette-like, either. A great looking car, but no longer a Vette, IMNSHO.

God-Speed 09-04-2018 06:28 AM

Being a Corvette fan and owning several, I find this car to be interesting to say the least. Like all new models, I will just have to wait to see it in person before making judgment. :tup:

Nixin 09-04-2018 08:36 AM

So far the C8 definitely has my attention.

JARblue 09-04-2018 09:36 AM

To me, it looks like someone took one of the newer Camaros and tried to squash it.

ZCanadian 09-04-2018 01:47 PM

Doesn't "look" extremely Corevette-y to me.
But that's not a bad thing.
Certain generations of 'vettes are beautiful, for sure, but trying to imitate that with an entirely different drive platform would be a bad idea.

It looks exotic. But I have my doubts that the typical Corvette owner is going to be able to handle a mid engine rear wheel drive layout. According to the internet, enough of them have trouble with F/R. When you put a heavy motor behind the driver, and the rear starts to move sideways, it takes a lot of skill to keep the car in line. Ferrari and Porsche drivers know this. Most muscle car drivers haven't a clue.

Perhaps, like NSX and upcoming Alfa 8C this will have some electrics to assist the front wheels. Or at least an ace traction control system that cannot be easily disabled!

2011 Nismo#91 09-04-2018 05:17 PM

It's like making a front engine 911. But I honestly don't care so much about tradition as long as it's a good car. While their at it why not make it all wheel drive too?

UNKNOWN_370 09-04-2018 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZCanadian (Post 3783240)
Doesn't "look" extremely Corevette-y to me.
But that's not a bad thing.
Certain generations of 'vettes are beautiful, for sure, but trying to imitate that with an entirely different drive platform would be a bad idea.

It looks exotic. But I have my doubts that the typical Corvette owner is going to be able to handle a mid engine rear wheel drive layout. According to the internet, enough of them have trouble with F/R. When you put a heavy motor behind the driver, and the rear starts to move sideways, it takes a lot of skill to keep the car in line. Ferrari and Porsche drivers know this. Most muscle car drivers haven't a clue.

Perhaps, like NSX and upcoming Alfa 8C this will have some electrics to assist the front wheels. Or at least an ace traction control system that cannot be easily disabled!

I think if you drive a corvette GS. You'll see this gen corvette does not feel like a muscle car AT ALL when you rotate it. This generation of GM cars do not fit the performance stereotype they've been able to fit into in the past.

Here's the vette on track.

https://jalopnik.com/heres-the-mid-e...g-t-1828804754

Shoeshear 09-04-2018 11:20 PM

The people who can lap a corvette fast on a track are not going to be the people who have trouble driving a mid-engine car. It's the people who use pedestrians as cones at cars and coffee that will have trouble, but they had trouble to begin with. Current gen corvettes are awesome. Z06 w/ TC on is brilliant.

ZCanadian 09-05-2018 04:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shoeshear (Post 3783376)
The people who can lap a corvette fast on a track are not going to be the people who have trouble driving a mid-engine car. It's the people who use pedestrians as cones at cars and coffee that will have trouble, but they had trouble to begin with. Current gen corvettes are awesome. Z06 w/ TC on is brilliant.

Especially with TC engaged. :rofl2:


https://i.ytimg.com/vi/dN_L_1fXs6s/maxresdefault.jpg


I agree - have tracked with guys driving these, and they are impressive.

BlackZeda 09-05-2018 12:14 PM

There doesn't seem to be a lot of room for golf clubs...

Shoeshear 09-05-2018 12:39 PM

Lol, key phrase there. My friend has the current gen z06 and he has not turned it off ever. Judging from the journalists, probably a wise choice lol. From what I remember reading about that guy in the picture though, he's a great driver just pushing hard to try to keep the F1 cars' tires warm.

DLSTR 09-05-2018 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackZeda (Post 3783454)
There doesn't seem to be a lot of room for golf clubs...

The right seat should be good for that. I never had an issue with any of the 3 Lotus Esprit Turbo's Ive owned lol :)

Tick64 10-08-2018 03:47 PM

I wish the C8 didn't continue the C7 trend of a giant boxy ***-end.

Shoeshear 10-08-2018 07:19 PM

You're not a fan? I kinda like it. It was something different yet still corvette-y.

sunkist350z 10-09-2018 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tick64 (Post 3790905)
I wish the C8 didn't continue the C7 trend of a giant boxy ***-end.

I agree the c7 has lots of curves and swoops, and the square rear seems out of place.

kromberg 12-07-2018 03:16 PM

The ME C8 is going to be around the $130K MSRP, but I doubt you could pick one up for anything under $150K. For that price, you can pick up a nice low mile Lamborghini or Ferrari. GM started to out price their indented buyers starting mid run of the C6. The base model C8 is targeted for around $80K, again way over priced.

sunkist350z 12-07-2018 11:11 PM

C8 looks cool, I agree over priced. If top model goes for under 100k it would be a great bang for the buck supercar killer.

UNKNOWN_370 12-23-2018 04:01 PM

https://www.motor1.com/news/298642/m...-size-details/

Looks like the c8 may be substantially smaller than the c7. It has lines strongly reminiscent of two vehicles. The Acura NSX and Ferrari 458. Not bad cars to copy. But this car needs to start at $70,000 and end at $170,000. Not start at $170k.

This will undoubtedly be an amazing car. If you've driven a c7 or camaro 6. Both vehicles perform way above their price point. It's truly unreal. You have two cars that are common on the street but you really can't find a true performance competitor in their price ranges. The camaro competes with M cars and AMG's while the corvette competes with jaguar f type R and cars similar that are double the price.

I can only imagine the c8. It's just going to be untouchable. But what angers me is that GM is falling back into its 2006 problems because they are bad at innovating outside the sports car and truck arena. They always have too many vehicles in their lineup and go into deficits when they won't sell. GM needs a better business team. But at least they don't abandon enthusiasts.

But no more bailouts for GM

CRiZO 12-23-2018 04:55 PM

GM is smart to flex their size. They can price out their competition.

If they actually pay attention to the interior for a change, they could easily charge $170k. The income divide is only growing, and for top earners that's not much anymore. Making it $70k would just dilute the product and wouldn't gain many additional buyers.

Personally, I'm kinda stoked to think about owning a used one in a decade. Mid-engine reliable supercar for $60k? Yes please.

Spooler 12-23-2018 06:25 PM

Price is a big deal. If they go to high they just priced themselves out of a sale on their upper tier models.

Baronsmokes 12-23-2018 11:13 PM

Rumor I here from my Corvette friends.
Will introduce car this summer.
Not as much HP as ZO6.
In the next 3 -5 years will increase HP to ZO6 level and also add Hybrid with gas and electric motor.

UNKNOWN_370 12-24-2018 09:48 AM

I say. Start at 70k. Even if the starting model to drops down to 400-420hp. We still looking at a lighter car most likely with a dual clutch. Even with the power reduction it will be faster than the current vette.

ZCanadian 12-24-2018 12:10 PM

GM needs to make money on this, so they don’t have the flexibility to price it low, or anywere close to the current Vette.

Even sharing as much of the platform, drive train, suspension and electronics as possible with other product, development costs will be high on this and volumes will be low. As a result, it will need to run on a flex line (hello Oshawa???), where it will no doubt displace other profitable product. I’d fire the board and management myself if they did so just to throw money out the window.

That said, the reality is that however good it might be, you simply cannot charge well into the 6 figures for a Corvette. It will still be a GM, with terrible panel gaps, uninspired interior, and a paint job that one owner recently described to me as “someone sprayed over a pepperoni pizza”. By the time you get north of $150, there are just too many acknowedged good options out there. Perhaps (if the size and this new layout afford room for golf clubs) they may woo the odd dentist away from Porsche. But regardless of how many N’burg Ring records it might achieve they are not going to displace any sales of true exotics or even the current amazing lineup of performance saloons.

There just isn’t the cachet in the Corvette name, nor the depth of market for this type of car, to charge what they need to. Honda/Acura recently found this out, and GM will as well.

JTM88 12-24-2018 03:56 PM

I'm interested in the performance, but the looks just don't do it for me. I guess I need to wait until it's actually revealed.

UNKNOWN_370 12-26-2018 06:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZCanadian (Post 3808467)
GM needs to make money on this, so they don’t have the flexibility to price it low, or anywere close to the current Vette.

Even sharing as much of the platform, drive train, suspension and electronics as possible with other product, development costs will be high on this and volumes will be low. As a result, it will need to run on a flex line (hello Oshawa???), where it will no doubt displace other profitable product. I’d fire the board and management myself if they did so just to throw money out the window.

That said, the reality is that however good it might be, you simply cannot charge well into the 6 figures for a Corvette. It will still be a GM, with terrible panel gaps, uninspired interior, and a paint job that one owner recently described to me as “someone sprayed over a pepperoni pizza”. By the time you get north of $150, there are just too many acknowedged good options out there. Perhaps (if the size and this new layout afford room for golf clubs) they may woo the odd dentist away from Porsche. But regardless of how many N’burg Ring records it might achieve they are not going to displace any sales of true exotics or even the current amazing lineup of performance saloons.

There just isn’t the cachet in the Corvette name, nor the depth of market for this type of car, to charge what they need to. Honda/Acura recently found this out, and GM will as well.

I'm not sure GM will sell many corvettes at this price point. But there's also rumour corvette may become its own brand next generation. This may help the price transition??? GM is gonna have to look at Mc Laren for interior ideas.

ZCanadian 12-26-2018 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 3808789)
I'm not sure GM will sell many corvettes at this price point. But there's also rumour corvette may become its own brand next generation. This may help the price transition??? GM is gonna have to look at Mc Laren for interior ideas.

Gawd, I hope the lessons of 10 years ago are not so soon forgotten by GM executives!

FPenvy 12-26-2018 10:00 AM

ummmm soooo about the price.....

https://carbuzz.com/news/c8-corvette...re-than-the-c7

base price just a touch above current C7 base price.

faster models will follow the Z06/ZR1 pricing as well.

soooo it'll be a bit more than regular vettes. i like it.

BlackZeda 12-26-2018 12:58 PM

I am not sure what "automotive journalist" pulled the idea out of his *** that just because it is a mid engine it will cost as much as a supercar. That defeats the concept of the Corvette. Clickbaitin...

The MR2 and Fiero were pretty damn cheap!

Desert Rat 12-27-2018 03:18 PM

Vettes sell because they are reasonably priced for a reasonably fast car. I think this will flop if they go way north of 100k on this one.

And mid engine....while it's great and all, it's just not a vette anymore. It's something else entirely.

I'm with the C2 guy here.

Add to that, Screw GM. After the taxpayers bail them out they have the nerve to shut down factories and move more production to Mexico rather than retooling those factories to make vehicles that sell.

Yes, my Z was built in Japan, but Nissan never claims to be an American company, and never took a dime of my tax money to stay afloat.

ZCanadian 12-28-2018 09:22 AM

Yup, no speculation / rumours in the auto industry...

And everything that you read on the internet is gospel.

UNKNOWN_370 12-30-2018 01:45 PM

This some crazy ****. The current C7 ZR1 has so much acceleration and g's in the corners that it tricks on Star into thinking the car was in an accident while on track.

https://jalopnik-com.cdn.ampproject....-co-1831365098

UNKNOWN_370 01-11-2019 02:42 PM

https://www-carscoops-com.cdn.amppro...oved-design%2F

Here's some interior pics of the C8. The way it's set up. Looks to me their will be an EV model by the it's refresh time. Pretty soon. No engine powered vette?

ZCanadian 01-11-2019 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 3814664)
https://www-carscoops-com.cdn.amppro...oved-design%2F

Here's some interior pics of the C8. The way it's set up. Looks to me their will be an EV model by the it's refresh time. Pretty soon. No engine powered vette?

Oooh. Looks very, um, Lexus. Only without the quality of the fit & finish.

https://images-carscoops-com.cdn.amp...s-1024x555.jpg

Guess the mid engine Vette isn't going to be a sports car. More of a grand tourer. Too bad.
Also speaks to the price point you can expect.

I'm thinking that rather than jumping in on the ground floor of a totally new platform (seldom a good idea with a car, especially a North American one), I'd prefer to go for this:

https://preview.netcarshow.com/Porsc...nfographic.jpg

:driving:

UNKNOWN_370 02-04-2019 09:50 PM

This render is sick.... Me personally. I'd jump in the C8. They been working on it since the Camaro 5 concept. I'm not too worried.

https://www-motor1-com.cdn.ampprojec...a-rendering%2F

UNKNOWN_370 04-01-2019 05:29 PM

Crazy that the LT2 is not functioning well in the new vette. I'm sure it will be difficult to cool that size v8 in this type of car and not sell it at R8 prices. Good luck Chevy.

https://www.hagerty.com/articles-vid...e-leak-april-1

ImportConvert 04-02-2019 04:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackZeda (Post 3808915)
I am not sure what "automotive journalist" pulled the idea out of his *** that just because it is a mid engine it will cost as much as a supercar. That defeats the concept of the Corvette. Clickbaitin...

The MR2 and Fiero were pretty damn cheap!

Dunno...look at trucks nowadays.


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