It’s not about a Miata making you feel like a better driver, it’s that getting professional instruction in a low hp front engine rwd mt car WILL make you a better driver bc you will improve car control, have more time to understand and correct inputs and learn how to drive smooth and carry speed thru the corners. You’ll also learn how to brake which is equally important.

Spend a couple years, (yes, I said years), doing hpde regularly and then come back and revisit this post, I guarantee you’ll have changed your mind.

:iagree: 100% this.

Even after several years of HPDE days and ride-alongs on the track with experienced drivers, I am truly only just realizing how much I still have to to learn about driving fast. And I've had my license for many, many decades.

Gonna jump on this bandwagon as I went from participating in HPDE with my boosted Z to a Miata. I am approaching one year in the Miata and I was ten seconds faster at the track I did my first event at last week. Between track time and instruction my confidence and skills have increased. The real deal in learning how to drive a slow car fast is being able to drive the car at its limit once your skills have improved accordingly. In a fast car learning becomes slower once you hit a certain point because pushing a fast car to the limit can be extremely dangerous. I am confident that when I get back into my boosted Z I will be slow but way faster than I was when my motor let go.

What I have witnessed is one of my favorite NASA instructor do (he races spec miata) is jump in the car (Corvette Corvette z06) of another experienced instructor and drive it 3 to 4 seconds faster without pushing it in his mind lol!

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Nothing kills your ego faster then having a car with 150 hp less than you past you in the turns. I hate those fricking Miata's. Pass them down the straights, only to see them pass you in the turns. :icon14: I had a ride in one driven by a guy that runs the spec series. He was on the gas sooner, on the brakes much later. It was a learning experience.

Z06 possibly being tested!!! Looks as if it may be a hybrid?

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...rvette-hybrid/

A real test mule! Love it!!!

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This is a bit closer to the review I was expecting from Matt Farrah. Considering how precise the c8 looked on track and how fast he breezed thru complex chicane's and apexes... I felt like he was expecting a Ferrari for $80k. This review by Automobile is closer to what we saw in the video.

https://www.automobilemag.com/news/2...-photos-specs/

https://www.motor1.com/news/380820/2...mance-figures/

Non Z51 Still gets to 60 in 3.0 seconds, has same quarter mile. 11.2 seconds. :tup::driving:

Seen where the delivery has been pushed back because of the strike. Said early next year year now.

Clearly if not tracking the car then order base package, and do not make others more rich. :tiphat::tup::driving:

And then throw aftermarket parts at it.... :rofl2:

Chevy working out the kinks in the DCT manual mode. Hopefully they'll get it right.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...pecs-analysis/

omg my favoritest part at 6:15

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQBfsEM0Udo

May therefore be able to skip the lift, but I still would want a 2LT package.

$549 so you don't scratch your $1500 splitter? :rolleyes: :gtfo2:

Although.... it's hard to be mad considering the price for a base MR Corvette. That and every fuckin car manufacturer does the same shìt with performance accessories :shakes head:

900hp hybrid c8
 

https://www.motortrend.com/news/c8-c...8-with-900-hp/

The Z06 will almost be double the hp of the base corvette. This just sounds crazy. Its reminiscent of the porsche 918. I wonder how much of a jump this will be in price? My guess would be double. But if GM can do this for less than 140k? They're animals!!

It appears that it may have an Italian competitor. But probably at many times the price.

https://news.yahoo.com/maseratis-nex...131900109.html

Maserati to debut in Geneva 2020 (next March)

https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/ck...f1c2d7041114a4

There is a video of a C4 with a Judd V8 I seen the other day. :eek:

4C Steroidial!

One thing that wears out on me — and this goes for many consumer products — there's so much foresight on better and better coming out.

In the context of a Corvette, the depreciation kinda screws with me. I mean we're seeing insanely cool s*** but it may just last 5 minutes.

C7 bases going cheap
But unless it's absolutely dirt cheap now, maybe look for a GS because there's a lot of kit (although lmao replacing those fat tires).
But then a C7 Z06 isn't too far now. They're dipping into the mid/low 50's, albeit 2015 models without the cooling revisions.

And then it's like why waste your time on that when the C8 is probably outclassing a GS with ease, has a major jump in supercar elements.
And then the convertible hardtop is like "why the hell not?" because let's be real, how often is this being used at the track?
And then the Z06 is literally sounding like a f***ing hypercar. Barring potential glitches coming with a lot of firsts for GM, but imagine how bland a regular C8 looks right next to that.

And then the ZR1 is going to have jet turbines and laser guns. Yes there may be a near six-digit jump at this point from a base C8, but in a broader spectrum, good luck getting something like that for the money.

Only saving grace for the C7 for me is manual and the "last of it's kind" narrative.

By and drive what YOU like. The fkn world of anyone else be dammed :)

This is why most people are in debt to their eyeballs and their sh1t owns them instead of the other way around.

Just buy the best you can actually afford and keep it for a good while to get your $$ worth out of it and upgrade again at that point, imagine how amazing the 2028 z06 will be, it’ll make the performance of the 2021 look like poo.

Yeah, if you are always waiting for the better car to buy and the better woman to date, you'll die an unhappy virgin!

Life's too short not to indulge yourself a little. Just know your spending limits (goes for car and wife! LOL).

And with both it is cheaper to keep her! Ask me how I know, LMAO!

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One of the best ways to build wealth is marriage. One set of bills, two incomes and financial stability, can survive on one income temporarily w/o issue if one partner has a setback, save and invest more etc.

But, like all things in life, with greater reward comes greater risk b/c divorce is one of the biggest financial setbacks you can face.

Choose your partner wisely. :tup:

Or, as my dad told me growing up, never marry the first hot piece of a$$ that gives you a good lay. :tiphat:

My divorce cost me $3K for a lawyer. I kept the house and the Z. And I find myself with more available cash than ever before. Best case scenario lol

Great advise and even with doing as you said it sometimes doesn't work out. My first and only other wife were married for 18 years and dated for five year before that. We have two fantastic kids and yes it set me back but I am doing all right now some 18 years later and wife number two and I are 16 years strong. Anyway, my twist on your dad advise is don't marry the first one that gives you a blow job because most guys literally loose their minds when that happens!!!

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I shopped around for both wife's. :tup:

Spec sheet documents of Z06
 

https://jalopnik.com/what-we-know-ab...rve-1839885240

Approximately 900hp
85kw hybrid engine producing about 114hp of that total number and raising torque to a STUPIDLy HiGh 880lbs tq...

Can you imagine that number as stock torque? :bowdown:

The more I see vid and pics of the c8, the less I like it. Just watched motorweek and they did a review of an orange vert and I just don’t really like it, I mean, it’s not bad, but I’m not tempted. The performance is great, but at the end of the day it’s just a vette and I’ve never really cared for them.

Opposite reaction to the new Supra, I started off meh, and now the more I see it and especially after seeing it in person, I like it more now. Good to have choices. :tup:

Reasons why ENTHUSIASTS buy cars:

1. Performance/capabilities
2. Visceral experience
3. Feeling connected to the vehicle
4. Mod-ability/aftermarket support
5. As a track toy
6. As a collector item
7. As a sense of nostalgia.
Looks play a part but are usually secondary. We often look at body kits or body altering parts to make a decently nice car hot.

Why Consumers buy CARS!
1. Appearance/image/ Get Noticed
2. Practicality/Gas mileage
3. Insurance cost.
4. Price

Until you see one in person, opinions are seriously hindered. It's like the GTR. In a picture. It looks like the world's most expensive box.
In person... it's hot.

But then you have the case of first world envy...
The vette is a nice car... Not everyone will be able to afford one. Which usually also affects most peoples perception of a vehicle...

Jalopnik are idiots!!!
 

https://jalopnik.com/please-leave-th...one-1840056210

So GM is talking smack about making a ev vette. So jalopnik comes with the idea of throwing the camaro under the bus to compete with the mustang e shytbox. Fvckin idiots. I'm hoping GM leaves the Camaro alone and continues with its legacy and not MIMIC ford for once!!

Good points, but I would add #8 to the enthusiast’s list: passion for a particular brand or model, after all, zdayz wouldn’t exist without that, or any car/make specific forum for that matter.

There’s a difference between fan and fanboy though, a fan can still see and accept the flaws in their preferred model/make, a fanboy is blinded by irrational emotion.

I always reserve final judgment on a cars looks until I see it in person, that’s why I like the Supra more now that I’ve seen one in the flesh vs before.

As far as looks, no real enthusiast ever said, “this car is fvckin ugly as sin, but it’s performance is so good, I’ll overlook it nd spend my money anyway, exception being a strictly track/race car, but for a road going or semi daily/track car looks always matter, not exclusively but they factor in

Now, looks for image or getting noticed, I agree with you there, that’s not an enthusiast thing.

I liked the way the gtr looked in pictures from the get go, to me it looked purposeful and aggressive in a technological way. After owning one and staring at it for a couple years, that feeling only grew, I never would have got one if it didn’t light my fire so to speak.

Almost forgot, as far as adding body kits/exterior mods to make a car look better, excluding track focused exterior mods, I’ve never been into that, if it’s not good enough looks wise to me the way it comes from the factory, then I’m not putting $$ into it to make it look better. The one caveat to that would be wheels, but beyond that, I’m not buying a vehicle and changing bumpers etc bc I never liked the stock stuff as is.

Example, for me, the only good looking camaro is the zl1 1le, it’s the only one worth buying imo, (not just looks but performance is awesome), also I’m of the mindset you always buy the best top of he line model and if you can’t afford it, wait and save till you can.

I think the camaros, 5th and 6th gen actually look better in pics, In real life to me, again my opinion, they look too “plasticy” and cheap. Again that’s my opinion, it shouldn’t affect anyone else’s love for a ‘maro.

https://www.motor1.com/news/385310/g...base-corvette/

Chevy claims that they're losing money on any vette less than 80k.
And that they will have to incrementally raise prices.
This car is a gift to enthusiasts...
It's a historical feat and the most iconic sports car in a very long time. If this car cant bring enthusiasm back to automobiles? Nothing will.

I’m slightly skeptical of the losing money claim, but then again, probably 1/2 c8s sold will be $80k or above. If they run the c8 chassis for a good long while with updates along the way, the cost per vehicle to build will come down and the profit per car will increase. Sh1t, Nissan must be making bank on the 12 z cars they sell per year by this point.

I hope Chevy doesn’t fall into the trap Nissan did with the gtr. At under 100k, the gtr was a great performance value proposition (it still would be). At over 100k, it stopped making sense anymore and it hurt even more that it is ancient and hasn’t kept up with the competition. Nissan tried to justify the yearly price increases with more and more “luxury” upgrades but at the end of the day, it’s still a Nissan that costs over $100k.

Chevy may run into this as well, “it’s just a Chevy ‘vette at the end of the day” attitude could kill sales if it gets too pricey.

The vette loyalists mostly wont be able to afford over $100k cars and the car enthusiasts who comfortably can, most if they do get one, it would be for a track car, aka second or third or fourth car, bc they’ll drive something “nicer” as a daily. That won’t be enough to prop up sales.

If it gets too expensive, the vette could become the perfect lightly used second or third owner used sports car, kinda the way the gtr has gone.

This vette, (nor any other sports car for that matter), isn’t going to save sports cars or enthusiast cars in general until it goes full electric and/or autonomous and the non automotive media creams themselves all over it just like they do every time a new Tesla gets unveiled, or even hinted at.

Now this is badasss...

https://www.motor1.com/news/385609/2...e-c8-widebody/

So does this mean the hybrid motor will be the axle? Logically, that's amazing. It may be self propelling 114hp? That's insane!!

https://carbuzz.com/news/chevrolets-...re-interesting

As I thought about it. I too thought. I hope they're not planning on selling this car for 80k. Probably a bunch of idiots at the dealer ordering theres were saying. "This car is so hot, I'd easily pay 80k", when in fact you know they wouldn't. But chevy probably got that feedback and is testing the waters with this statement.

Chevy claims they sold all 40,000 units before its release.
If this is true? This means the sports car market is very much alive and people been waiting for something like this...
Meaning, I think theres room for a camaro 7 if they go routes that I've mentioned before. Which was making a corvette style 4 seat camaro with dimensions similar to the camaro 3 but performance like a c7 GS for about 50k.
It could he done. It's up to Chevy though.

https://carbuzz.com/news/2020-chevro...ut-in-americaP

Or, meaning that people saw this incredibly priced, super performing car for the deal it seems to be, and took advantage of Chevy's "Black Friday" pricing before GM came to their senses and priced it closer to where it belongs.

A next generation Camaro would have to be a similar paradigm shift to get this kind of sales interest, I'm afraid. Not sure that GM wants to risk that much R&D into two petrol sports cars at this stage. Seems a foolishly risky venture. 40,000 cars is not that huge in the overall scheme of things. They sold 35,000 C7's to North American markets alone, in the first year of production.