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Gunzero · 10-04-2017, 04:27 PM

awesome man.. its been awhile since ive posted here, but ive been through a couple trucks/cars since I traded the Z. I'm sitting on a challenger now!

UNKNOWN_370 · 10-06-2017, 02:19 PM

Here's some pics... I took em with my cell. Forgive me for my lousy photography.

http://s1268.photobucket.com/user/is...?sort=3&page=1

UNKNOWN_370 · 10-06-2017, 02:21 PM

One week in the Camaro. There's so much to say... I never thought a MUSCLE CAR can feel this good on the road.
But before I talk about what's great. Let me satisfy the haters and say what's bad... Well...
Nothing really. Lol. OK well... Let me nitpick a lil bit...

On the nav, when using voice command, you have to annoyingly wait 3 secs after she asks u a question the you gotta speak slow, otherwise. Biatch, don't understand you...pThe plastic around the steering column looks cheap as hell. But so did the Z. The plastic in the dash supports the glass for the gauges is cheap looking. That was NOT a Z problem. The gauges motorcycle theme prevented the use of nasty looking plastic. That said.... It's not noticeable as you drive it daily. But when you're actually looking for flaws, it pops out.
My other issue is the car doesn't engine brake as aggressively as a Z. Or maybe chevy just didn't program it well? Not much audible drama when coming to an engine stop like the Z..
Lastly, for such a big car, the interior can stand to be a lil bit more roomy and storage is not very plentiful inside the cockpit.
OK, I'm done bitchin... Lol.

Let's get to the good. Though I wish there was a lil better design to the center of my steering wheel, the wheel itself is a perfect size with a flat bottom. I have 3 steering modes... Touring, sport & track... Sport being the best, cuz it feels weighty without being artificially heavy like it does in track mode. Sport mode gives a lil more than decent feedback. I guess with certain types of tracks, track mode would be good. It almost feels like you have no power steering on a small car of yesteryear. Overall the steering in sport mode is the best of the muscle cars. Challenger being the worst.

The chassis. Which is what sold me. This chassis comes stock without bracing, which I intend to purchase. This thing is STIFF, I love it.... No flex in the chassis what so ever. I have an SS and I virtually have no roll. So I can only imagine the 1LE which I'm going to add the suspension soon. The chassis feels like it belongs on an $80,000 sports car. I can't get over it...

The ride.... As stiff as this car is... It is NOT harsh. It soaks up bumps like nothing, without feeling floaty or breaking your back. It's probably the most perfect suspension tuning in the price range. The car drives ahead of its price range which is why I decided to purchase. This car is EVERYTHING the Camaro 5 wasn't.
The a pillars are slimmed down, the stance is lower which gives you a better forward view. If you drive a Z, you won't have issue with forward view. To the rear you have big blind spots and over shoulder checking takes a lil leaning forward. But... That said... Blind spot monitoring works perfectly and eliminates most of the frustration. Also my escort Max 360 works fine even with the safety features.

I have a loaded 2SS and leather quality is on our with a $50,000 car. There is a lil more exposed plastic on the doors than most 50k cars but, it doesn't look cheap and is very well shaped, complimenting the cars design. There's quality leather mixed in with the plastic and the Camaro light show is fvckin Kool, so you're not thinking about plastic at all.

Handling... Well i can corner the hell out of this thing n I hate big cars. But this car does not feel big. Also it DOES NOT FEEL HEAVY. At around 3690 lbs manual. And about 3720 in auto. The Camaro feels like it has a similar power to weight ratio than the Z. But I'm gonna say something that will perplex most. The Camaro does not feel as front heavy as the Z @ mid-corner. There is less understeer than the Z, I'm guessing it's the 455lbs of torque that makes it so seamless in a corner. The tail kicks out and you rebound quickly and just barrel down the road hitting 60 in 4 second range.

LAUNCH CONTROL. Haven't used it but I'm glad I have it. I think that's pretty awesome to have all these features and still have launch control..

Exhaust- manual mode
The transmission is very quick and seamless when upshifting. The sounds of the exhaust are amazing. The sound of the pushrod engine nevsr gets old...
But then, you switch to manual mode... The transmission gets even more aggressive than track mode in auto mode. The exhausr
Gets a few decibels louder, and THE CRACKS, BURBLES and POPS are so SINISTER when coupled with that v8 rumble. I would have never thought a optional factory exhaust can sound so good. I'm sure this thing is only eclipsed by the jaguar F type in terms of stock sound.

The technology. I have all this crazy tech and I HATE tech. But considering I paid about
$47,000 out the door. (I will get my taxes back) I think that the Camaro is seriously a bargain. As bad as I wanted a new nismo, I couldn't see the value as a new car. It is why I will get a used nismo. But the Camaro 6 in my book is a near legendary ride.... At least for right now... I put a lot of thought before making a final decision. 1 week after my decision. I have NO REGRETS!

I'll update if I have issues problems or find things I hate.

cigarclifford · 10-06-2017, 03:47 PM

So happy for you Sir

Great write up.. We are all looking forward in seeing photo's of your new Camaro

UNKNOWN_370 · 10-07-2017, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by cigarclifford

So happy for you Sir

Great write up.. We are all looking forward in seeing photo's of your new Camaro

That photobucket link didn't work?

Oh I have 4 steering modes... Track/ice is #4 and I completely ignored it. Lol. Texasl

Red__Zed · 10-10-2017, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Here's some pics... I took em with my cell. Forgive me for my lousy photography.

http://s1268.photobucket.com/user/is...?sort=3&page=1

Your photobucket doesn't support hosting so the pictures will only show up if folks click through.

Just an FYI, the full address of the house you took the pictures in front of is visible - depending on your desired level of privacy here, you may want to adjust that.

Redglare · 10-10-2017, 01:45 PM

congrats on a sick m3 killer vehicle, I almost pulled the trigger on a 2ss a few month ago.
The only thing that's stopping me from buying one has nothing to do with the car itself, rather the depreciation that comes with it.

If it follows anywhere the 5th and 4th gen camaro depreciative curves, you stand to lose near 50% at the 3-4 year mark, compared to <25% on a 370z (when it was new),
I love everything about it and agree on the briliant alpha platform, just wish it didn't carry the bowtie stigma that's causing the resale value to be so atrocious...

UNKNOWN_370 · 10-21-2017, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Redglare

congrats on a sick m3 killer vehicle, I almost pulled the trigger on a 2ss a few month ago.
The only thing that's stopping me from buying one has nothing to do with the car itself, rather the depreciation that comes with it.

If it follows anywhere the 5th and 4th gen camaro depreciative curves, you stand to lose near 50% at the 3-4 year mark, compared to <25% on a 370z (when it was new),
I love everything about it and agree on the briliant alpha platform, just wish it didn't carry the bowtie stigma that's causing the resale value to be so atrocious...

It bothers me too. It's why I don't buy American typically. But this car was just that good.

But let me state what's annoying the Shyt outta me.

STEERING MOUNTED PADDLE SHIFTERS...
They are an abomination. You're searching around trying to change a gear coming out of a turn. U can't. You gotta be mindful of where the paddles are. Add in that force of habit makes me go for fixed SHIFTERS. And infiniti thought. Hey let's switch the most amazing thing we ever did n put cheap plastic paddle shifters on our luxury car. It played a big part in me not choosing the infinit. I can forgive it in a Camaro. Not an infiniti.

The GAUGE COWL.
Sometimes it's just distracting. It's so big and you have to position the HUD rather high to see it. All because of the ridiculously tall cowl. I hope the refresh next year fixes this?

VOICE COMMAND BITCH IS A MORON.
She only understands me half the time.
Good thing the steering command controls are super intuitive. So when she has her period. I can punch in Shyt quick.

What I love...
THE EXHAUST... THE EXHAUST.... THE EXHAUST.
The soundtrack is phenomenalin manual mode. It bucks n burbles n farts n cracks n pops n is loud. People here me a couple block away when I get on it. Stock optional exhaust is sick. All I need are test pipes. Ordering after lowering it...

HANDLING.... it gets around corners for its size like a car a quarter smaller. Torque everywhere, tail gets loose A LOT but the amazing steering and non intrusive traction control keep your *** in check...

Competitive mode... Launch control.

Easy to use and you fly sooooooooo fast.
It's super smooth take off in auto . A wild bull in manual mode. My car is bipolar and a pedal nympho. Sometimes I'm only getting 191 miles to a tank. It's easy to get a lil crazy cuz it sounds so good.

Lastly.... Unlike the Z you get less people challenging you and more people thumbs upping you. Driving my Z was like making Friday's a F&F extension with all the race invites. I've only gotten one challenger try. And that was last night. I had a 350z do a cut off fly by but that's about it. Also last night. I ignored them both.

This Camaro deserves its respect. It's sick for the money. If depreciation goes the way you said... You guys will be so fortunate to have all this performance at such a low price.

Does all this performance replace the Z???
NOT IN A MILLION YEARS...
Why?
The driving dynamic of the Z is still superior in terms of size, to power, cornering is more effortless as its a smaller vehicle, though I'm doing great with the Camaro. You still feel more planted in a Z.

I won't say one is better than the other. They just provide two different types of excitement while still having strong similarities in steering feel in sport mode and handling capability. They're a lot closer than you'd imagine.

Redglare · 10-21-2017, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

It bothers me too. It's why I don't buy American typically. But this car was just that good.

But let me state what's annoying the Shyt outta me.

STEERING MOUNTED PADDLE SHIFTERS...
They are an abomination. You're searching around trying to change a gear coming out of a turn. U can't. You gotta be mindful of where the paddles are. Add in that force of habit makes me go for fixed SHIFTERS. And infiniti thought. Hey let's switch the most amazing thing we ever did n put cheap plastic paddle shifters on our luxury car. It played a big part in me not choosing the infinit. I can forgive it in a Camaro. Not an infiniti.

The GAUGE COWL.
Sometimes it's just distracting. It's so big and you have to position the HUD rather high to see it. All because of the ridiculously tall cowl. I hope the refresh next year fixes this?

VOICE COMMAND BITCH IS A MORON.
She only understands me half the time.
Good thing the steering command controls are super intuitive. So when she has her period. I can punch in Shyt quick.

What I love...
THE EXHAUST... THE EXHAUST.... THE EXHAUST.
The soundtrack is phenomenalin manual mode. It bucks n burbles n farts n cracks n pops n is loud. People here me a couple block away when I get on it. Stock optional exhaust is sick. All I need are test pipes. Ordering after lowering it...

HANDLING.... it gets around corners for its size like a car a quarter smaller. Torque everywhere, tail gets loose A LOT but the amazing steering and non intrusive traction control keep your *** in check...

Competitive mode... Launch control.

Easy to use and you fly sooooooooo fast.
It's super smooth take off in auto . A wild bull in manual mode. My car is bipolar and a pedal nympho. Sometimes I'm only getting 191 miles to a tank. It's easy to get a lil crazy cuz it sounds so good.

Lastly.... Unlike the Z you get less people challenging you and more people thumbs upping you. Driving my Z was like making Friday's a F&F extension with all the race invites. I've only gotten one challenger try. And that was last night. I had a 350z do a cut off fly by but that's about it. Also last night. I ignored them both.

This Camaro deserves its respect. It's sick for the money. If depreciation goes the way you said... You guys will be so fortunate to have all this performance at such a low price.

Does all this performance replace the Z???
NOT IN A MILLION YEARS...
Why?
The driving dynamic of the Z is still superior in terms of size, to power, cornering is more effortless as its a smaller vehicle, though I'm doing great with the Camaro. You still feel more planted in a Z.

I won't say one is better than the other. They just provide two different types of excitement while still having strong similarities in steering feel in sport mode and handling capability. They're a lot closer than you'd imagine.

good review, sucks about the paddles - any aftermarket solutions?

I am gona get a lot of flack for this; but I disagree on your last point; from my limited test drive of one - the difference couldn't be greater between the Z (at least for me) the alpha platform camaro just has the overall solid feel - almost mercedes like - grips corners, doesn't rattle, Its unfair to compare a brand new 2016 platform car to one from 2008-9 but this new camaro feels superior to a stock Z in every way you can imagine.

My last point; the depreciation - it probably won't be anytime soon but I am thinking by late 2018 (winter) or early 2019 one will be able to pick up a very clean low mile alpha platform SS in the mid to low 20's. I know it sucks for the early adopters, but hey you get to enjoy this beast while the rest of us have to wait and salivate until it drops into that price range. Its feasible for me to get one, but after always balancing my investments/ making sure my portfolio is diversified, throwing away 10-20k just hurts a little too much right now (obviously your mileage will vary).

Think of it this way all the people who paid 50-60k for a civic type R got to enjoy theirs for the past 3-4 month, now the new wave of 2018's is on the way and the factory ramped up production, its a matter of time until the CTR will be going under MSRP / invoice, (personally I would rather buy an SS and lose 10-20k rather than buy a type R and lose 25-30k over 4-5 month lol) not to mention the SS will roll up and down the CTR.

UNKNOWN_370 · 10-22-2017, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Redglare

good review, sucks about the paddles - any aftermarket solutions?

I am gona get a lot of flack for this; but I disagree on your last point; from my limited test drive of one - the difference couldn't be greater between the Z (at least for me) the alpha platform camaro just has the overall solid feel - almost mercedes like - grips corners, doesn't rattle, Its unfair to compare a brand new 2016 platform car to one from 2008-9 but this new camaro feels superior to a stock Z in every way you can imagine.

My last point; the depreciation - it probably won't be anytime soon but I am thinking by late 2018 (winter) or early 2019 one will be able to pick up a very clean low mile alpha platform SS in the mid to low 20's. I know it sucks for the early adopters, but hey you get to enjoy this beast while the rest of us have to wait and salivate until it drops into that price range. Its feasible for me to get one, but after always balancing my investments/ making sure my portfolio is diversified, throwing away 10-20k just hurts a little too much right now (obviously your mileage will vary).

Think of it this way all the people who paid 50-60k for a civic type R got to enjoy theirs for the past 3-4 month, now the new wave of 2018's is on the way and the factory ramped up production, its a matter of time until the CTR will be going under MSRP / invoice, (personally I would rather buy an SS and lose 10-20k rather than buy a type R and lose 25-30k over 4-5 month lol) not to mention the SS will roll up and down the CTR.

The Alfa platform is stiffer than the Z and equally agile. I'm about to add cross bars and sways and am perplexed if I'll feel a difference cuz its so stiff. That said a Nismo Z is just as stiff with the added bracing and the shorter wheelbase adds for less flex. The Camaro has a dual personality. It can float around like a Caddy or romp like a real sports car. It's amazing.

The Camaro SS in Texas didn't get into the 20's for a long time last Gen. When the SS came out... In 2016. The average price of a 2010 SS was $24,000. Now a 2010 is about $20,000 with about 80,000 miles. That's an average so their are higher n lower priced ones. I'm expecting the SS to hover around $30k and 35k with reasonable miles. For a while till the drop into the 20's I think that will be the arena for 2LT V6's as they are solid performance fast cars as well. They hold their own unlike the last gen v6.

The civic is a joke. You really gotta be stuck in the 90's with your original fast and furious movie poster hanging on your wall, right next to the Tokyo drift poster to pay that shyt for a civic. I don't hate it. It's just delusional pricing for a overpriced/overrated car like the FRS was. Honda saw how stupid we are with the TOYOBARU TWINS and ran with that Shyt like a Superbowl football.
It's pathetic. But that's another conversation.

My point on the Z is, it's size just inherently makes it more nimble so you can't replace that feeling with a 3700lb muscle car. But... It gets CLOSE in the sense. It's not front heavy at all. So I can only imagine the balance of the v6 or 4 banger must be insane. I think if you have a v6 1Le? The Z might have trouble on a track. Only cuz weight andpower would be almost equal and yes. The Camaro chassis is better. But a nismo chassis is still amazing. Just saying.

UNKNOWN_370 · 10-28-2017, 08:05 AM

Plastic cheaper than it looks... Scratches easily. Interior cleaners are hard to wipe of clean without leaving a spotted look so you gotta clean super attentively. Kind of annoying. Leather quality is great though. N body paint is super tough. I accidentally hit a branch on the ground at 50mph.... Nothing. Not even a rash on the clearcoat. Amazing!!!

But I gotta figure out something custom to Line the plastic part of the doors and interior. Should I add 30lbs of custom grey leather that matches the grey accent stripe on my leather seats?

UNKNOWN_370 · 11-04-2017, 12:36 PM

Opened up the Camaro for the first time beyond spirited driving...

Holy FVCKIN AZZ FVCK!!!!
yeah... Love or hate Camaro, you gotta respect the pushrod...

And the level of HANDLING you're getting with that amount of Torque is UNREAL. chevy defied all common sense performance laws and created there own thing. Cars that handle like this usually have progressive torque. But it's a FVCKIN torque MONSTER...
torque monsters are not supposed to be controllable. The Camaro is controllable.

You chirp the first 4 gears.
Or shut off traction and feel the car go sideways as you take off. I haven't felt that in a loooong time as a daily driving experience. But back when. Those cars couldn't handle.

I'm dying to see what the next generation Camaro will bring.

This car is not without its flaws, and is still a Lil dimensionally challenged but... It's performance is...

Mind blowing.

Love the Camaro... I can't imagine a ZL1 as a daily. This is all you really need in terms of power for fun.

PS. These cars are so well engineered today. If you're losing control? It's cuz you weren't ready to deal with the power. It wasn't the car.

Tick64 · 11-04-2017, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

VOICE COMMAND BITCH IS A MORON.
She only understands me half the time.
Good thing the steering command controls are super intuitive. So when she has her period. I can punch in Shyt quick.

Oh man, I'm still laughing from this one. Too funny!

UNKNOWN_370 · 11-14-2017, 08:04 AM

JARblue · 11-14-2017, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Here's some pics... I took em with my cell. Forgive me for my lousy photography.

ismaelr718's Library | Photobucket

Those pics are pretty lousy.

Congrats on the purchase. Sounds like you are more than happy with it

10-04-2017, 04:27 PM	#31 (permalink)
Gunzero Track Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 889 Drives: Nissan 370z Rep Power: 258	awesome man.. its been awhile since ive posted here, but ive been through a couple trucks/cars since I traded the Z. I'm sitting on a challenger now! UNKNOWN_370 likes this. __________________

10-06-2017, 02:19 PM	#32 (permalink)
UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14857	Here's some pics... I took em with my cell. Forgive me for my lousy photography. http://s1268.photobucket.com/user/is...?sort=3&page=1 __________________ Favorite Quote. "I'm not gonna kill you... I'm just gonna Bash Your Face In" Jack Nicholson-"The Shining". 1980 Last edited by UNKNOWN_370; 10-06-2017 at 02:22 PM.

10-06-2017, 02:21 PM	#33 (permalink)
UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14857	One week in the Camaro. There's so much to say... I never thought a MUSCLE CAR can feel this good on the road. But before I talk about what's great. Let me satisfy the haters and say what's bad... Well... Nothing really. Lol. OK well... Let me nitpick a lil bit... On the nav, when using voice command, you have to annoyingly wait 3 secs after she asks u a question the you gotta speak slow, otherwise. Biatch, don't understand you...pThe plastic around the steering column looks cheap as hell. But so did the Z. The plastic in the dash supports the glass for the gauges is cheap looking. That was NOT a Z problem. The gauges motorcycle theme prevented the use of nasty looking plastic. That said.... It's not noticeable as you drive it daily. But when you're actually looking for flaws, it pops out. My other issue is the car doesn't engine brake as aggressively as a Z. Or maybe chevy just didn't program it well? Not much audible drama when coming to an engine stop like the Z.. Lastly, for such a big car, the interior can stand to be a lil bit more roomy and storage is not very plentiful inside the cockpit. OK, I'm done bitchin... Lol. Let's get to the good. Though I wish there was a lil better design to the center of my steering wheel, the wheel itself is a perfect size with a flat bottom. I have 3 steering modes... Touring, sport & track... Sport being the best, cuz it feels weighty without being artificially heavy like it does in track mode. Sport mode gives a lil more than decent feedback. I guess with certain types of tracks, track mode would be good. It almost feels like you have no power steering on a small car of yesteryear. Overall the steering in sport mode is the best of the muscle cars. Challenger being the worst. The chassis. Which is what sold me. This chassis comes stock without bracing, which I intend to purchase. This thing is STIFF, I love it.... No flex in the chassis what so ever. I have an SS and I virtually have no roll. So I can only imagine the 1LE which I'm going to add the suspension soon. The chassis feels like it belongs on an $80,000 sports car. I can't get over it... The ride.... As stiff as this car is... It is NOT harsh. It soaks up bumps like nothing, without feeling floaty or breaking your back. It's probably the most perfect suspension tuning in the price range. The car drives ahead of its price range which is why I decided to purchase. This car is EVERYTHING the Camaro 5 wasn't. The a pillars are slimmed down, the stance is lower which gives you a better forward view. If you drive a Z, you won't have issue with forward view. To the rear you have big blind spots and over shoulder checking takes a lil leaning forward. But... That said... Blind spot monitoring works perfectly and eliminates most of the frustration. Also my escort Max 360 works fine even with the safety features. I have a loaded 2SS and leather quality is on our with a $50,000 car. There is a lil more exposed plastic on the doors than most 50k cars but, it doesn't look cheap and is very well shaped, complimenting the cars design. There's quality leather mixed in with the plastic and the Camaro light show is fvckin Kool, so you're not thinking about plastic at all. Handling... Well i can corner the hell out of this thing n I hate big cars. But this car does not feel big. Also it DOES NOT FEEL HEAVY. At around 3690 lbs manual. And about 3720 in auto. The Camaro feels like it has a similar power to weight ratio than the Z. But I'm gonna say something that will perplex most. The Camaro does not feel as front heavy as the Z @ mid-corner. There is less understeer than the Z, I'm guessing it's the 455lbs of torque that makes it so seamless in a corner. The tail kicks out and you rebound quickly and just barrel down the road hitting 60 in 4 second range. LAUNCH CONTROL. Haven't used it but I'm glad I have it. I think that's pretty awesome to have all these features and still have launch control.. Exhaust- manual mode The transmission is very quick and seamless when upshifting. The sounds of the exhaust are amazing. The sound of the pushrod engine nevsr gets old... But then, you switch to manual mode... The transmission gets even more aggressive than track mode in auto mode. The exhausr Gets a few decibels louder, and THE CRACKS, BURBLES and POPS are so SINISTER when coupled with that v8 rumble. I would have never thought a optional factory exhaust can sound so good. I'm sure this thing is only eclipsed by the jaguar F type in terms of stock sound. The technology. I have all this crazy tech and I HATE tech. But considering I paid about $47,000 out the door. (I will get my taxes back) I think that the Camaro is seriously a bargain. As bad as I wanted a new nismo, I couldn't see the value as a new car. It is why I will get a used nismo. But the Camaro 6 in my book is a near legendary ride.... At least for right now... I put a lot of thought before making a final decision. 1 week after my decision. I have NO REGRETS! I'll update if I have issues problems or find things I hate. God-Speed, AlWakRa, BlackZeda and 5 others like this. __________________ Favorite Quote. "I'm not gonna kill you... I'm just gonna Bash Your Face In" Jack Nicholson-"The Shining". 1980

10-06-2017, 03:47 PM	#34 (permalink)
cigarclifford A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Cali State Hospital Posts: 13,351 Drives: 2017 Corvette Z06 Rep Power: 458713	So happy for you Sir Great write up.. We are all looking forward in seeing photo's of your new Camaro UNKNOWN_370 likes this. __________________ -Clifford

10-28-2017, 08:05 AM	#41 (permalink)
UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14857	Plastic cheaper than it looks... Scratches easily. Interior cleaners are hard to wipe of clean without leaving a spotted look so you gotta clean super attentively. Kind of annoying. Leather quality is great though. N body paint is super tough. I accidentally hit a branch on the ground at 50mph.... Nothing. Not even a rash on the clearcoat. Amazing!!! But I gotta figure out something custom to Line the plastic part of the doors and interior. Should I add 30lbs of custom grey leather that matches the grey accent stripe on my leather seats? __________________ Favorite Quote. "I'm not gonna kill you... I'm just gonna Bash Your Face In" Jack Nicholson-"The Shining". 1980

10-10-2017, 01:45 PM	#37 (permalink)
Redglare Enthusiast Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: FL Posts: 387 Drives: C172 Skyhawk GIII Rep Power: 174	congrats on a sick m3 killer vehicle, I almost pulled the trigger on a 2ss a few month ago. The only thing that's stopping me from buying one has nothing to do with the car itself, rather the depreciation that comes with it. If it follows anywhere the 5th and 4th gen camaro depreciative curves, you stand to lose near 50% at the 3-4 year mark, compared to <25% on a 370z (when it was new), I love everything about it and agree on the briliant alpha platform, just wish it didn't carry the bowtie stigma that's causing the resale value to be so atrocious...

11-04-2017, 12:36 PM	#42 (permalink)
UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14857	Opened up the Camaro for the first time beyond spirited driving... Holy FVCKIN AZZ FVCK!!!! yeah... Love or hate Camaro, you gotta respect the pushrod... And the level of HANDLING you're getting with that amount of Torque is UNREAL. chevy defied all common sense performance laws and created there own thing. Cars that handle like this usually have progressive torque. But it's a FVCKIN torque MONSTER... torque monsters are not supposed to be controllable. The Camaro is controllable. You chirp the first 4 gears. Or shut off traction and feel the car go sideways as you take off. I haven't felt that in a loooong time as a daily driving experience. But back when. Those cars couldn't handle. I'm dying to see what the next generation Camaro will bring. This car is not without its flaws, and is still a Lil dimensionally challenged but... It's performance is... Mind blowing. Love the Camaro... I can't imagine a ZL1 as a daily. This is all you really need in terms of power for fun. PS. These cars are so well engineered today. If you're losing control? It's cuz you weren't ready to deal with the power. It wasn't the car. __________________ Favorite Quote. "I'm not gonna kill you... I'm just gonna Bash Your Face In" Jack Nicholson-"The Shining". 1980 Last edited by UNKNOWN_370; 11-04-2017 at 12:40 PM.

11-14-2017, 08:04 AM	#44 (permalink)
UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14857	__________________ Favorite Quote. "I'm not gonna kill you... I'm just gonna Bash Your Face In" Jack Nicholson-"The Shining". 1980

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