Kia Stinger.... Theyre passing Nissan.

UNKNOWN_370 · 09-04-2018, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by JLarson

Wife wanted to test drive one of these, so we took a trip out to the dealership Saturday. Obviously opted for the GT trim. I have to say my initial impressions were very positive.

Pros:
-Car feels responsive, with boost coming on quickly. Acceleration definitely pushes you back in the seat.
-Layout of the cockpit is solid. Seats were broad and comfortable, without being outstanding, digital package was easy to navigate.
-Suspension in Sport mode was aggressive with very minimal body roll. Steering did not have the same overly light feel present in the Q50 and Q60.
-Brembo BBK definitely gave plenty of stopping power.
-Functional brake vents.

Cons:
-Its a Kia. I'm not saying this to hate on this brand, but it's an expensive car for the Kia badge.
-Car is very heavy! 5148 lbs, and you can definitely feel the weight of it dragging against your early acceleration.
-Not in love with the appearance of it. It's basically a sporty Optima - better stance and brake vents.

I think there will be a lot of drivers that really enjoy this car; my wife certainly did.

Agree with the pros.. But curb weight is a lil over 3800lbs for RWD n a lol over 4000 for AWD.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kia_Stinger

JLarson · 09-14-2018, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Agree with the pros.. But curb weight is a lil over 3800lbs for RWD n a lol over 4000 for AWD.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kia_Stinger

Sorry about that, I was going based off of the sticker inside the door. Should've done more research!

ChopsZ · 10-09-2018, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by JLarson

Cons:
-Its a Kia. I'm not saying this to hate on this brand, but it's an expensive car for the Kia badge.

The same can be said for the Z "brand"...

Why pay $48k for the Nismo when you can get 95% of its performance with the Sport at $32k, or 90% of the Nismo's performance with the base Z at $26k?

At least when you step up in the Stinger levels, you have different engines, transmissions, choice of RWD or AWD and massive brakes. The Z on the other hand uses the same ole' engine and transmission in all trim levels, and upgrade to a useless VLSD.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not hating on Nissan or the Z. I love my Z and will continue to for quite a long time. I have no plans on getting rid of it.

I guess the point I'm trying to make is that I'm getting tired of seeing people say stuff like "oh, it's a Hyundai/Kia"... Who cares?! People are dwelling on crap that happened with these two companies over 20 years ago! Get over it already. It's not 1998 anymore and both Hyundai and Kia have come a long long way since then.

And no JLArson, I'm not directing that last bit towards you. It's just a general thought.

UNKNOWN_370 · 10-09-2018, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by ChopsZ

The same can be said for the Z "brand"...

Why pay $48k for the Nismo when you can get 95% of its performance with the Sport at $32k, or 90% of the Nismo's performance with the base Z at $26k?

At least when you step up in the Stinger levels, you have different engines, transmissions, choice of RWD or AWD and massive brakes. The Z on the other hand uses the same ole' engine and transmission in all trim levels, and upgrade to a useless VLSD.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not hating on Nissan or the Z. I love my Z and will continue to for quite a long time. I have no plans on getting rid of it.

I guess the point I'm trying to make is that I'm getting tired of seeing people say stuff like "oh, it's a Hyundai/Kia"... Who cares?! People are dwelling on crap that happened with these two companies over 20 years ago! Get over it already. It's not 1998 anymore and both Hyundai and Kia have come a long long way since then.

And no JLArson, I'm not directing that last bit towards you. It's just a general thought.

The Z is still my favorite all round sports car. But it's been around so long. The price should've been long reduced. Same thing with the 86.

The 86 is trying to sell at 33k for a face lift suspension tweaking and recalibration of the ecu. This car in 2018 is $9,000 over its worth.

The Z is perfectly balanced with good power. It can't compete against a mustang GT on track. A stinger could. Its just time to be quiet as a Z owner until Nissan gets the balls to build something up to snuff against today's competition.

2011 Nismo#91 · 09-04-2018, 05:19 PM

4,000 lbs curb weight, you can pack it with another 1,000 lbs before you brake something.

ZCanadian · 09-25-2018, 05:47 PM

I sat in a Stinger on a showroom floor today - didn't have time to drive one, but I have to admit that the cockpit had a very nice look and feel to it. Almost Lexus-y in terms of materials and treatments. I'd put it pretty much on par with what I've seen from Lexus, Cadillac, Acura and Infinity from my brief encounter.

I wouldn't compare it to a BMW, Porsche, Alfa or Mercedes interior, but definitely "A" for effort. And it's not priced in that club anyway. But you would not know you were in a Kia if they removed the emblem from the steering wheel.

UNKNOWN_370 · 09-27-2018, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ZCanadian

I sat in a Stinger on a showroom floor today - didn't have time to drive one, but I have to admit that the cockpit had a very nice look and feel to it. Almost Lexus-y in terms of materials and treatments. I'd put it pretty much on par with what I've seen from Lexus, Cadillac, Acura and Infinity from my brief encounter.

I wouldn't compare it to a BMW, Porsche, Alfa or Mercedes interior, but definitely "A" for effort. And it's not priced in that club anyway. But you would not know you were in a Kia if they removed the emblem from the steering wheel.

On the money. And now with discounts of up to 10k. This car is a no brainer. You'd be getting performance nearly $16k above its weight class with the discount.

https://jalopnik.com/the-cheap-kia-s...ing-1829355766

ChopsZ · 10-09-2018, 10:18 AM

But still, the Z shouldn't be compared to the likes of the Mustang, Charger/Challenger, Camaro and Corvette.

Those cars are designed to be "American muscle cars". Meaning they are brutish, loud, and have an overabundance of hp and torque, and even to this day, STILL mostly set up for straight line performance. Sure, they've gotten better at taking corners, but their main aspect is straight line.

The Z on the other hand is designed to be a "Japanese muscle car", meaning it has substantial power and torque, has finesse, is agile, and has a suspension finely tuned for flying through the twisties. It was never designed or even a goal to compete with American muscle.

With that being said, the 370Z holds its own quite well against modern V8 power, especially considering it's a 9 year old design and still a naturally aspirated V6 with a MANUAL transmission still being an option. It's lighter than most of its American counterparts, and its gearing makes great use of it's sub-300 ft lbs of torque to motivate it down the road.

Just as an "aside"... The 3rd Gen Ford Mustang had a production run of 14 years (1979-1993) which had minimal revisions on the outside. One thing that probably kept it alive for so long though throughout that time was that it had quite a few engine options such as an NA Inline 4, Inline 4 turbo, a couple different Inline 6's, a couple different V6's, and a couple of different V8's. On top of that, there were several variants of the Inline 4, turbo Inline 4 and V8 engines, all of which ended up producing more power over time.

Lastly, just for some light reading... https://jalopnik.com/the-original-ni...pen-1796498349

UNKNOWN_370 · 10-10-2018, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ChopsZ

But still, the Z shouldn't be compared to the likes of the Mustang, Charger/Challenger, Camaro and Corvette.

Those cars are designed to be "American muscle cars". Meaning they are brutish, loud, and have an overabundance of hp and torque, and even to this day, STILL mostly set up for straight line performance. Sure, they've gotten better at taking corners, but their main aspect is straight line.

The Z on the other hand is designed to be a "Japanese muscle car", meaning it has substantial power and torque, has finesse, is agile, and has a suspension finely tuned for flying through the twisties. It was never designed or even a goal to compete with American muscle.

With that being said, the 370Z holds its own quite well against modern V8 power, especially considering it's a 9 year old design and still a naturally aspirated V6 with a MANUAL transmission still being an option. It's lighter than most of its American counterparts, and its gearing makes great use of it's sub-300 ft lbs of torque to motivate it down the road.

Just as an "aside"... The 3rd Gen Ford Mustang had a production run of 14 years (1979-1993) which had minimal revisions on the outside. One thing that probably kept it alive for so long though throughout that time was that it had quite a few engine options such as an NA Inline 4, Inline 4 turbo, a couple different Inline 6's, a couple different V6's, and a couple of different V8's. On top of that, there were several variants of the Inline 4, turbo Inline 4 and V8 engines, all of which ended up producing more power over time.

Lastly, just for some light reading... https://jalopnik.com/the-original-ni...pen-1796498349

I'm not even speaking from that type of comparison either. I still believe the Z stands on its own 2 legs separate of the car world. But... That said. Its just behind no matter how u cut it.
But understand the argument changes when a Z owner makes statements about say, in this case the stinger. And throws his car in the mix. Now... U just made yourself scrutiny to criticism in the world of comparison.
And if I focused on the track alone. The Z is a has been. AT LEAST STOCK These new cars are giving something that compares in today's circuit.

All that said. Am I praying for Z vengeance???
HELL YEAH!!!
But don't hate Kia for doing it better than
MAXIMA
Q50

That's just a hard fact fanboys gotta live with.

ChopsZ · 10-10-2018, 09:35 PM

Well honesty, it doesn't matter to me what other car manufacturers come out with. I love my Z, and plan on keeping it for a long time. It's just a fun, beautiful car and there's really nothing else out there at the moment that interests me.

So with that in mind, I'm all good! ;-)

UNKNOWN_370 · 10-18-2018, 12:44 PM

The first long term tests are rolling in and so far so good. Loving that... Hyundai/Kia stepped up their game in record breaking times.

https://www.autoblog.com/2018/10/18/...d-touring-car/

FPenvy · 10-18-2018, 12:53 PM

.........but it's still ugly.

ChopsZ · 10-18-2018, 08:09 PM

It looks good from the front and sides...

But that rear end, they could have definitely done better...

sunkist350z · 10-18-2018, 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChopsZ

It looks good from the front and sides...

But that rear end, they could have definitely done better...

I think the front and rear are the stingers high points, it has a striking stance when you see it in person. Its more attractive than the higher end European sedans in my opinion.

Ian B · 10-19-2018, 12:14 AM

Looks like an Audi A7 knock off.

Ian B

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ZCanadian A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Canada Posts: 1,061 Drives: 2013 370Z Rep Power: 60275	I sat in a Stinger on a showroom floor today - didn't have time to drive one, but I have to admit that the cockpit had a very nice look and feel to it. Almost Lexus-y in terms of materials and treatments. I'd put it pretty much on par with what I've seen from Lexus, Cadillac, Acura and Infinity from my brief encounter. I wouldn't compare it to a BMW, Porsche, Alfa or Mercedes interior, but definitely "A" for effort. And it's not priced in that club anyway. But you would not know you were in a Kia if they removed the emblem from the steering wheel. Last edited by ZCanadian; 09-26-2018 at 04:24 AM. Reason: Oops. Kia.

10-09-2018, 10:18 AM	#8 (permalink)
ChopsZ Track Member Join Date: May 2016 Location: Central Florida Age: 51 Posts: 965 Drives: 2016 370Z GM 6MT Rep Power: 2303	But still, the Z shouldn't be compared to the likes of the Mustang, Charger/Challenger, Camaro and Corvette. Those cars are designed to be "American muscle cars". Meaning they are brutish, loud, and have an overabundance of hp and torque, and even to this day, STILL mostly set up for straight line performance. Sure, they've gotten better at taking corners, but their main aspect is straight line. The Z on the other hand is designed to be a "Japanese muscle car", meaning it has substantial power and torque, has finesse, is agile, and has a suspension finely tuned for flying through the twisties. It was never designed or even a goal to compete with American muscle. With that being said, the 370Z holds its own quite well against modern V8 power, especially considering it's a 9 year old design and still a naturally aspirated V6 with a MANUAL transmission still being an option. It's lighter than most of its American counterparts, and its gearing makes great use of it's sub-300 ft lbs of torque to motivate it down the road. Just as an "aside"... The 3rd Gen Ford Mustang had a production run of 14 years (1979-1993) which had minimal revisions on the outside. One thing that probably kept it alive for so long though throughout that time was that it had quite a few engine options such as an NA Inline 4, Inline 4 turbo, a couple different Inline 6's, a couple different V6's, and a couple of different V8's. On top of that, there were several variants of the Inline 4, turbo Inline 4 and V8 engines, all of which ended up producing more power over time. Lastly, just for some light reading... https://jalopnik.com/the-original-ni...pen-1796498349 __________________ She's For Sale! PERFORMANCE: Aero Workz \| Akebono \| BC Racing \| EcuTek \| HKS \| MaxBore \| Motordyne \| Nismo \| RJM \| SPL \| StopTech \| Z1 AUDIO: Arc Audio \| Bazooka \| Helix \| Pioneer \| Stereo Integrity

10-10-2018, 09:35 PM	#10 (permalink)
ChopsZ Track Member Join Date: May 2016 Location: Central Florida Age: 51 Posts: 965 Drives: 2016 370Z GM 6MT Rep Power: 2303	Well honesty, it doesn't matter to me what other car manufacturers come out with. I love my Z, and plan on keeping it for a long time. It's just a fun, beautiful car and there's really nothing else out there at the moment that interests me. So with that in mind, I'm all good! ;-) __________________ She's For Sale! PERFORMANCE: Aero Workz \| Akebono \| BC Racing \| EcuTek \| HKS \| MaxBore \| Motordyne \| Nismo \| RJM \| SPL \| StopTech \| Z1 AUDIO: Arc Audio \| Bazooka \| Helix \| Pioneer \| Stereo Integrity

10-18-2018, 12:44 PM	#11 (permalink)
UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14860	The first long term tests are rolling in and so far so good. Loving that... Hyundai/Kia stepped up their game in record breaking times. https://www.autoblog.com/2018/10/18/...d-touring-car/ __________________ Favorite Quote. "I'm not gonna kill you... I'm just gonna Bash Your Face In" Jack Nicholson-"The Shining". 1980

10-18-2018, 08:09 PM	#13 (permalink)
ChopsZ Track Member Join Date: May 2016 Location: Central Florida Age: 51 Posts: 965 Drives: 2016 370Z GM 6MT Rep Power: 2303	It looks good from the front and sides... But that rear end, they could have definitely done better... __________________ She's For Sale! PERFORMANCE: Aero Workz \| Akebono \| BC Racing \| EcuTek \| HKS \| MaxBore \| Motordyne \| Nismo \| RJM \| SPL \| StopTech \| Z1 AUDIO: Arc Audio \| Bazooka \| Helix \| Pioneer \| Stereo Integrity

10-19-2018, 12:14 AM	#15 (permalink)
Ian B Track Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Cedar Park Posts: 679 Drives: 2010 Nissan Rep Power: 137467	Looks like an Audi A7 knock off. Ian B

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