Talk me out of a Z06 please

Magic Bus · 07-22-2016, 02:10 PM

I was going to say, get the Z06 until I read, Z in the 6's post.

Your Z will be paid off shortly and save a few bucks. If the new Z underwhelms or takes too long to come out, then you'll even have more $$ saved for the Z06.

Jhill · 07-22-2016, 02:29 PM

As an ex GM tech up to last year I would ask what is most important to you? Being the fastest or being fast enough and reliable. Not sure your history of the z but it's generally a very reliable car as most Asian are. GM can not say the same (trust me I was the guy doing a lot of those recalls). Also while you may be able to afford the z06 and its payments the upkeep for owning one will not be the same. Those tires alone cost a fortune and the rims have a stupid internal design that most shops can not even change the tires on (our dealer couldn't, 3 other designated tire shops couldn't and we had to take it to California wheels who do a lot of specialty wheels, put it in their cage and inflate with about 150 psi to seat the beads, cheatah bead blaster won't work).

Cool car and fast for the money but I would never ever ever own American or German after working in the field. Just my opinion.

Also if you can afford a z06 wouldn't a GTR be in range?

Oh also if you track your car be ready for oil consumption. Already a bulletin posted by GM that oil consumption and oil in the intake is normal for "aggressive driving" and you will need to replace the air filter after such event since it will become oil soaked after sitting and all the oil from the PCV runs down into it, saw it first hand with a new stingray (not the same as the z06 but similar enough that I would not be surprised).

UNKNOWN_370 · 07-22-2016, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Jhill

As an ex GM tech up to last year I would ask what is most important to you? Being the fastest or being fast enough and reliable. Not sure your history of the z but it's generally a very reliable car as most Asian are. GM can not say the same (trust me I was the guy doing a lot of those recalls). Also while you may be able to afford the z06 and its payments the upkeep for owning one will not be the same. Those tires alone cost a fortune and the rims have a stupid internal design that most shops can not even change the tires on (our dealer couldn't, 3 other designated tire shops couldn't and we had to take it to California wheels who do a lot of specialty wheels, put it in their cage and inflate with about 150 psi to seat the beads, cheatah bead blaster won't work).

Cool car and fast for the money but I would never ever ever own American or German after working in the field. Just my opinion.

Also if you can afford a z06 wouldn't a GTR be in range?

Oh also if you track your car be ready for oil consumption. Already a bulletin posted by GM that oil consumption and oil in the intake is normal for "aggressive driving" and you will need to replace the air filter after such event since it will become oil soaked after sitting and all the oil from the PCV runs down into it, saw it first hand with a new stingray (not the same as the z06 but similar enough that I would not be surprised).

K&N filter and charger kit should fix that.

Larso1 · 07-22-2016, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

K&N filter and charger kit should fix that.

You would need an oil catch can system for that. Strange they don't have these as OEM equipment, now that the piston rings are low tension in performance engines to reduce friction.

http://oilcatchcan.com/oil-catch-can-benefits/

Drew303 · 07-22-2016, 02:52 PM

If I did get one I would lease one and turn it back in in 3 years, not finance it. So factory warranty the whole time

barncobob · 07-22-2016, 03:33 PM

Id be interested in a mid engine vette. if only they go back to roundish taillights, no batwings

ChopsZ · 07-23-2016, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by barncobob

Id be interested in a mid engine vette. if only they go back to roundish taillights, no batwings

Let's think about this for a minute. As far as I can remember, GM only came out with two production vehicles with the engines elsewhere than the front, the Chevy Corvair and Pontiac Fiero.

They weren't very successful, and definitely not known for they superior handling or reliability. Just saying...

Jhill · 07-22-2016, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Drew303

If I did get one I would lease one and turn it back in in 3 years, not finance it. So factory warranty the whole time

That's fine but you still have the hastle of having to take it in often and not sure if the lease will cover the oil, air filter if needing to be done before "schedule" as they classify the maintenance plan for normal driving and not "spirited/track". Also lease doesn't cover the tires so that's still on you. To me it's just more hastle than it's worth but that's me. Also do they even lease the z06? Other final thought you can't mod a leased vehicle and with a 500hp turbo z are you sure you'll be able to live with a factory car for 3 years and not get bit by the mod bug?

Just my thoughts. It is a fast, fun car though.

Landoz · 07-22-2016, 07:04 PM

Everyone knows Z06 okay yea supercharged cool awesome power and everything but a boosted Z you don't see those around much often. So question is you wanna be a basic Z06 or a awesome boosted 370z 😎

Duc_Z09 · 07-22-2016, 07:18 PM

Seems like a lot of sour grapes from the Z crowd. Why's it so hard to admit that a car that costs 2x as much as yours just might be better?

UNKNOWN_370 · 07-22-2016, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Duc_Z09

Seems like a lot of sour grapes from the Z crowd. Why's it so hard to admit that a car that costs 2x as much as yours just might be better?

Better is subjective to the driving experience you're looking for. To me, the more analog a car feels, the better. I don't care if the best performance car is completely electronic. I'd choose the less expensive analog car.

I like for my senses to be connected to the car. I hate muted cars. In my opinion. Adding tons of horses doesn't compensate for the numbness... On the other hand zero torque but great handling is equally annoying. The Z is visceral and balanced. It's unique in feel.

Corvette is Bad ***.... but I love my Z for what it is. Nothing more, nothing less.

Duc_Z09 · 07-22-2016, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Better is subjective to the driving experience you're looking for. To me, the more analog a car feels, the better. I don't care if the best performance car is completely electronic. I'd choose the less expensive analog car.

I like for my senses to be connected to the car. I hate muted cars. In my opinion. Adding tons of horses doesn't compensate for the numbness... On the other hand zero torque but great handling is equally annoying. The Z is visceral and balanced. It's unique in feel.

Corvette is Bad ***.... but I love my Z for what it is. Nothing more, nothing less.

I 100% hear what you're saying (I do own a Ducati instead of a UJM that would have been 2/3 the price and probably slightly faster). However, I'm hearing a bunch of excuses from Z owners along the lines of "ours looks better, ours is cheaper, blah blah blah...." the same Z owners who then turn around and say "what about a GT-R if you want to spend that kind of money?" Talk about a disengaged, unexciting-looking car... and the 'Vette is still cheaper. By a lot. Like you could have a Z06 AND a 370Z for the cost of one of those things these days.

I don't like brand loyalists who are unwilling to admit that their particular car isn't the best thing since sliced bread in every category. It reeks of butthurt.

As a side note the Z has zero torque IMO. I came from Mustangs though so my opinion is skewed. I bought the Z for its looks and handling characteristics more than anything. And for the fact that the nismo (at the time) didn't come in AT so I wouldn't have to worry about people who can't drive owning one.

Jhill · 07-22-2016, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Duc_Z09

I 100% hear what you're saying (I do own a Ducati instead of a UJM that would have been 2/3 the price and probably slightly faster). However, I'm hearing a bunch of excuses from Z owners along the lines of "ours looks better, ours is cheaper, blah blah blah...." the same Z owners who then turn around and say "what about a GT-R if you want to spend that kind of money?" Talk about a disengaged, unexciting-looking car... and the 'Vette is still cheaper. By a lot. Like you could have a Z06 AND a 370Z for the cost of one of those things these days.

I don't like brand loyalists who are unwilling to admit that their particular car isn't the best thing since sliced bread in every category. It reeks of butthurt.

As a side note the Z has zero torque IMO. I came from Mustangs though so my opinion is skewed. I bought the Z for its looks and handling characteristics more than anything. And for the fact that the nismo (at the time) didn't come in AT so I wouldn't have to worry about people who can't drive owning one.

for me it has nothing to do with fan boy ism, this is my first Nissan and so far I love it but I also liked the Acuras I worked on when I worked for them. For me I know GM quality first hand and it's just not that great. I would rather pay the extra $$ up front than deal with it later on the back end. If not owning then sure maybe it would be a cool car to be on loan for a few years and turn it in but I don't lease cars so that's out of the question. Just as an example just wait till the fuel level sensors crap out, which will happen multiple times throughout the life of the vehicle as GM cant make a fuel pump or level sensor to save their life, and guess who is the only manufacture to not have a fuel pump access door? you guessed it Chevy. So now it takes about 15-18hrs labor to drop the tanks which requires dropping the sub frame and trans just to change level sensors. Genius design huh.

UNKNOWN_370 · 07-23-2016, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Duc_Z09

I 100% hear what you're saying (I do own a Ducati instead of a UJM that would have been 2/3 the price and probably slightly faster). However, I'm hearing a bunch of excuses from Z owners along the lines of "ours looks better, ours is cheaper, blah blah blah...." the same Z owners who then turn around and say "what about a GT-R if you want to spend that kind of money?" Talk about a disengaged, unexciting-looking car... and the 'Vette is still cheaper. By a lot. Like you could have a Z06 AND a 370Z for the cost of one of those things these days.

I don't like brand loyalists who are unwilling to admit that their particular car isn't the best thing since sliced bread in every category. It reeks of butthurt.

As a side note the Z has zero torque IMO. I came from Mustangs though so my opinion is skewed. I bought the Z for its looks and handling characteristics more than anything. And for the fact that the nismo (at the time) didn't come in AT so I wouldn't have to worry about people who can't drive owning one.

I hear you and lol on zero torque. On the muscle side I'm a camaro man so mustang torque is a joke to me.

The Z is actually adequately torquey "For Its Intended Purpose". I find it to have a good balance of power & handling.

kenchan · 07-22-2016, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Drew303

I can't get the new Z06 out of my head. Im not big into american cars or american muscle. I currently have a boosted Nismo Z putting down 500+ at the wheels and I'm still paying on it but its getting close to paid for. Am I crazy for thinking about selling it for a Z06? And before anyone says it yes I could afford a new Z06 but obviously the payments would be a hell of a lot more than my current Z payments. Another factor is my Z will be due for emissions testing in a year and a half and theres not a chance in hell it will pass so I would have to get creative with that. What would you guys do??

If u can't buy it cash u can't "afford" it. Payoff ur z and drive it 5 yrs from da day u pay it off.

07-22-2016, 02:29 PM	#2 (permalink)
Jhill Track Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: San jose Posts: 855 Drives: 2013 370z sport Rep Power: 3386	As an ex GM tech up to last year I would ask what is most important to you? Being the fastest or being fast enough and reliable. Not sure your history of the z but it's generally a very reliable car as most Asian are. GM can not say the same (trust me I was the guy doing a lot of those recalls). Also while you may be able to afford the z06 and its payments the upkeep for owning one will not be the same. Those tires alone cost a fortune and the rims have a stupid internal design that most shops can not even change the tires on (our dealer couldn't, 3 other designated tire shops couldn't and we had to take it to California wheels who do a lot of specialty wheels, put it in their cage and inflate with about 150 psi to seat the beads, cheatah bead blaster won't work). Cool car and fast for the money but I would never ever ever own American or German after working in the field. Just my opinion. Also if you can afford a z06 wouldn't a GTR be in range? Oh also if you track your car be ready for oil consumption. Already a bulletin posted by GM that oil consumption and oil in the intake is normal for "aggressive driving" and you will need to replace the air filter after such event since it will become oil soaked after sitting and all the oil from the PCV runs down into it, saw it first hand with a new stingray (not the same as the z06 but similar enough that I would not be surprised). scope22 and ChopsZ like this. Last edited by Jhill; 07-22-2016 at 02:36 PM.

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Duc_Z09 Track Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Frederick MD Posts: 876 Drives: With the blinker on. Rep Power: 25	Seems like a lot of sour grapes from the Z crowd. Why's it so hard to admit that a car that costs 2x as much as yours just might be better? JWillis72 and JC-Nismo like this. __________________ 2009 370z #206 (all mods are Home Depot) 2009 Ducati 848 (full Ohlins, Termignoni, etc) 2003 Grand Cherokee (long arms, big tires, 4.56, lockers)

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07-22-2016, 02:10 PM	#1 (permalink)
Magic Bus A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2012 Location: Honolulu Posts: 1,427 Drives: 17 6MT M2 Rep Power: 18756	I was going to say, get the Z06 until I read, Z in the 6's post. Your Z will be paid off shortly and save a few bucks. If the new Z underwhelms or takes too long to come out, then you'll even have more $$ saved for the Z06.

07-22-2016, 02:52 PM	#5 (permalink)
Drew303 Base Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Denver, Co Posts: 142 Drives: 2011 Turbo Nismo Rep Power: 13	If I did get one I would lease one and turn it back in in 3 years, not finance it. So factory warranty the whole time

07-22-2016, 03:33 PM	#6 (permalink)
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07-22-2016, 07:04 PM	#9 (permalink)
Landoz Base Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: North Carolina Posts: 29 Drives: 14' 370z BlackManual Rep Power: 11	Everyone knows Z06 okay yea supercharged cool awesome power and everything but a boosted Z you don't see those around much often. So question is you wanna be a basic Z06 or a awesome boosted 370z 😎