I think Nissan has to decide whether they want to compete with the Mustang/Camarao/Challenger or the FRS/BRZ/Miata. I'd prefer it be the former and put out a revised 240sx type car to compete with the latter.

My fear is that they will continue to sit in between the two making it quite the niche car for those that just want the Z because it's a Z.

There lies the problem. To really compete youre gonna need big HP. I think itll just cost more than Nissan is willing to commit to bring 400+HP, to a 2 seat coupe at under $40k. Thats why Detroit use big V8's. Nose heavy sleigh pushers, but cheap, cheap, cheap!! Sure Infiniti will probably boost the Q with a 6. Youre looking at $60K to start for 420hp. Hell take a 1/4 off that, would people pay $45k BASE model for a Z35? If it comes with leather, hands free everything, mobile apps and a kick *** interior, I will. But it wont.

Not mad just hate Ford would never buy on don't care how fast and cheap...its like buying a 42k civic lol die thread die lmfao!

With the exception of Chrysler brands for whatever reason, + Audi and BMW , MOST brands run in a similar reliability range with some models being exceptional and others being average good.

How do other car threads become Nissan comparos? It's one thing to make reference to a Z. It's another to make the Z the focal point of a thread about 5 door hot hatches.

No one has really even tried to make a comment on posted Vids and information on the two cars at hand.

Mercedes A45AMG
Which has amazing performance, the most powerful STOCK production 4 cylinder in the world and is not being sold in America.

Then we have the Ford Focus RS, will be the most powerful hatch in America, will be the most expensive hot hatch in America. $4,000 cheaper than a base Mercedes A45.

Comparable cars for comparison could be Mazda & Subaru.

The Z really has nothing to do with this segment. The reality is, most intelligent, performance oriented Z owners would look at hot hatches as a companion car. Not as :ugh2:competition

Shhh... Adults are trying to talk about cars. :hello:

Exactly! :tup:

You wouldn't be looking to replace a 2-seat coupe with this, unless your life situation was changing dramatically.

Lots of people have something as a "3rd car" whether it's a Miata or a Corvette or a Z or whatever, it's probably less than practical and is only used as a "toy." This is NOT that kind of car.

This is another "Swiss Army knife" type of car. Even if you don't like it, any success might bring more competition to that market, and that's a good thing, if you're in the market for something like this.

I actually would be kind of interested in one as a daily driver with a set of snows for winter duty. I wouldn't replace my Z with it, unless I wanted to replace my Z with nothing, because this just isn't that same kind of car.

Oh ok I thought you were talking about worthy cars worth 40k..got it:rolleyes:

Here's a thought... If you don't like the topic, why don't you just unsubscribe from the thread... :ugh2:

Ya it was cool in 2009 replacing a cheap feel 350z, the sad part was it still wasn't that much better or the same quality as an s2000 for most to sell theirs and get a z because Of the price.guys who really ally wanted a Porsche surely weren't cross shopping Nissans z. Also we're approaching 2017 prototypes and concepts to be released and like I said Nissan is Getting left in the dust, the hot hatch segment is something even Honda is jumping in on.. Nissan they have no clue what they're doing for enthusiasts. They're also the worst consumer customer satfisfaction out of all Japanese brands. Leaders in recalls And that used to be ford! Which is the funny part.
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When did this become a Ford vs Nissan thread? Or an econo crapbox vs a 2 door sports cars thread? Not necessarily directed at you Zbo just quoted you as a reference.

It's really simple to narrow down the demographic of focus svtrs buyers. 20 somethings that can't afford multiple platforms. Like somebody mentioned this car is kind of a multi tool. A dedicated track car it is not. If you've spent a decent amount of time at the track you'd see the hardcore junkies are driving stripped down, gutted cars with massive aero kits. Nobody brings a fully loaded, carpeted, tech packaged 5 door hatch back and expects to be even remotely competitive in circuit/series racing.

As far as catering to enthusiasts, who in the hell is a focus enthusiast lol. Nobody, that's who. The car is based on an economy crap box. Who cares what they charge for it. The Z has enthusiasts, the same goes for mustang, camaro, challenger etc. Also, they all share one thing in common. They are one of their kind. What I mean by that is there are no economy versions of the car at significantly lower price point/performance. Yes they offer smaller engines or option packages. But a Z is a Z and vette is a vette. There are no other versions of the car. Can any of these focus aficionados honestly claim the ford focus, in ANY iteration, has an enthusiast following (without sounding like they were dropped as babies).

Is the Z perfect, obviously not and none of the cars mentioned in this thread are perfect either. But the people buying it, for the most part and especially around here, are enthusiasts. We bought the Z for more than just the car itself. Words like lineage, heritage and predecessors come to mind. The focus simply can't make that claim. Furthermore, it is not going to draw potential buyers of true sports cars to it's camp. No cayman, Z, stang, vette etc buyer is going to look at the focus and think "wow screw 2 door sports cars and everything that comes with them, let me sign on the dotted line for that gussied up generic economy class car. I'm sure to get looks in that". Nor is any track junkie going to spend 42k on it and the beat the living hell out of it like track guys do.

I can't believe you quoted everything I just said and posted this? :facepalm:

I swear you are Jungle Z....:wtf2:

Well... The guy who said that (me) also said that he thought it would make a great daily driver while the Z sleeps in the garage.

Your daily driver doesn't have to be a boring Accord or whatever, is all I'm saying.

The Focus RS isn't a competitor to the Z. The Z doesn't have enough cupholders, can't carry as much luggage, there's no room for a baby seat and your dog, etc. This is a silly comparison, which I know you know. :)

My lovely Z is slightly more practical than a motorcycle, which I can put Blizzaks on for the winter. I love it, but I can also appreciate people that get Fords or Subarus. I fact if I were a practical person, I would probably go for the Focus RS, but I have fallen in love with the Z. After putting HREs and a Fast Intentions exhaust on her there is no turning back. I am not really sold on Nissan, but like I have said, the Z has made me a fanboy.

With that being said, I like the Focus RS :tup:

Are you trying to Focus? Bofus?
FORD=F'd Over Rebuilt Dodge!
This is a ~Z~ Thing!!!