It's not "lately". It's always been that way. :rolleyes: It has gotten a lot worse now that these cars have gotten really cheap. Forums go to hell on the third owners of a car. Once you can pick up a car for <$15k, it really brings the idiots out of the woodwork.

im with you guys
Love my Z but as a DD i prefer a 4dr fun car , im actually in the process of getting a EVO, STI or Golf R
I can use it as a track car and DD , i cant use the Z as i put way too much money into it and is now a trailer queen :rofl2:

I want the A45AMG. It's the holy grail of hot hatches...

I wouldn't care if it had a GT 500 engine in it, I still wouldn't want it.................Dude it's a Ford Focus.

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Reality check: You drive a Nissan. :ugh2:

Would rather be driving a Nissan than a hocus pocus pos focus ford F=frequently O=on R=repair D=duty or doody :inoutroflpuke:

We're all super happy for you. :ugh2:

That's some old school thinking there.

Badge snobbery is dumb.

So are you saying there is no difference between manufacturers and brands in terms of quality and reliability?

There are definitely differences, but to think Nissan is above and beyond Ford (especially today's Ford) is a bit of a stretch. The whole Found On Road Dead thing is definitely an old school train of thought and makes people sound like they're just trying to justify the purchase of their brand to themselves.

Please for the love of God end this pathetic thread.

Don't be mad american cars are leaving Nissan performance in the dust ; also the gtr is not affordable and the z is a joke with its highest Nismo model sitting at dealers barely being sold while the ford gt 350 / r and focus Rs are sold out for pre orders ..

The GT-R was never meant to be "affordable" just like the upcoming Ford GT won't be.

The current Mustang is how many years newer than the current Z? The Focus RS is technically not even out yet.

I understand your sentiment of Nissan not currently offering comparable performance options to Ford's lineup that is less than a year old, but let's be realistic - these things don't happen overnight, either.

When Nissan incrementally improved the 370Z over the 350Z, it decimated... for one model year. The competition has been responding very effectively ever since. Don't you think this time around it might be wise for Nissan to sit back and let their competition blow their wads first? The market is in a crazy place of fluctuation as there is a completely different demographic for a Z type car now than there was in 2009.

Furthermore, while I think the Focus RS is awesome, when has Nissan EVER competed in the hot hatch segment for the American market? Hard to lose a game when you're not playing. Would I like to see a Nismo Pulsar here? Absolutely! But imagine if that concept two years ago showed up with a 220hp turbo from a Juke RS... it would get stomped and sit on the lots.

On the subject of badge snobbery and such, I'll leave you with an elaboration of a point I made earlier...

It's a great time to be a performance car guy. The 370Z is still a damn good car for the money (if we're talking sport package only, which is really what performance guys should be concerned with), but there's just a lot of other options out there. However, the Nissan badge snobbery is really only effective if you're into crossovers, because no one has the crossover game handled quite like Nissan.

All this speculation and all the platforms out that are ROUGHLY comparable I dont see a new Z being...how do I phrase it? Maybe "exponentially evolved". I.E., 400+ HP, lightweight, unreal suspension, mega tech. Not for a "at most" $35K sports car. Maybe theyll go retro, not with styling but, like the 86's, small, IDX style but hopefully VERY light, 2900 pounds, 300BHP, 300Tq. Throw the 2.0 turbo in, hands free everything, mobile phone apps, all the gadgetry my $32K Genesis has plus more. If they make it "bigger, badder, more powerful" to keep up with Detroit, youre basically looking at a Vette. There are NO 400hp+ 2 seat coupes on the market for $40K...and I dont think there will be for obvious reasons.