The new Alfa Romeo Giulia

SINISTER · 05-23-2017, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ZCanadian

Yes, Alfa left these shores about a generation ago due in part to quality problems. Seems to me, another manufacturer was in a similar situation about 10 years prior. They essentially kept selling here but changed the brand name to lose the baggage. What was that make again? I can't quite put my finger on it ;-) . And quite frankly, they still have a quality problem. Can you say "CSC" on our cars, or transmissions on GT-R's? How about transmission cooling issues on Frontier/Xterra? Ignition systems on Sentra? Nissan just walks away from those like a dog away from a turd, and somehow gets away with it.

In 1996, Alfa was a bloated, government-owned car maker concerned with keeping unions happy at the expense of the taxpayer and the customer. Now, it's one of the big hopes of growth for FCA (though it's never going to materialize in numbers that matter).

The MiTo and Giulietta, cars we've never seen in N. America, have actually a pretty good rating as far as long term quality goes. In a much different league than the new lineup from Alfa Romeo, no question there.

As for the Consumer Reports article, I don't know. I only pick that rag up when I run out of toilet paper. I've never had a use for it, and am surprised any thinking person does. Perhaps just this time because it supported your point? I could understand that.

Csc? 2k and you get it fixed right and your done....25k is what a M3 s65 engine costs. Big difference your comparisons are silly....plus euro cars are plagued with the small issues (like you mentioned all of them) and the big issues, costs more to repair and have typically no service tech manuals for people to purchase. They strategically try to make it as hard as possible for the DIY to fix....while our cars are simple....

Show me the reports showing that Alfa's are reliable now.

The consumer report I found....I suppose you think it is toilet paper because it does not support your opinion...for the same reason that it supported my point is why I used it...

Hell, when the Alfa Romeo boss states: our cars are reliable...it kinda supports my point that they are not.... see the article below...

http://www.motoring.com.au/our-cars-...o-boss-106062/

Look if you like it buy it...your defending it like you own it already...so maybe you should.....Do you have 50k +? Then go for it.... Because with just a couple of options that is where you will be. I can think of a ton of better cars that have more than 280 hp that cost 50k. Hell I would rather the 4c at least it looks crazy sporty and not just like a BMW wanna be...

ZCanadian · 05-24-2017, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by SINISTER

Csc? 2k and you get it fixed right and your done....25k is what a M3 s65 engine costs. Big difference your comparisons are silly....plus euro cars are plagued with the small issues (like you mentioned all of them) and the big issues, costs more to repair and have typically no service tech manuals for people to purchase. They strategically try to make it as hard as possible for the DIY to fix....while our cars are simple....

Show me the reports showing that Alfa's are reliable now.

The consumer report I found....I suppose you think it is toilet paper because it does not support your opinion...for the same reason that it supported my point is why I used it...

Hell, when the Alfa Romeo boss states: our cars are reliable...it kinda supports my point that they are not.... see the article below...

http://www.motoring.com.au/our-cars-...o-boss-106062/

Look if you like it buy it...your defending it like you own it already...so maybe you should.....Do you have 50k +? Then go for it.... Because with just a couple of options that is where you will be. I can think of a ton of better cars that have more than 280 hp that cost 50k. Hell I would rather the 4c at least it looks crazy sporty and not just like a BMW wanna be...

Yeah, I don't know.
I like Alfa, and I want them to succeed.
I'm not married to them or the Giulia (though I do have a 4C - and the service manual for it, so far un-opened).

I just think that Giulia is a very nice car, that shouldn't be saddled with the baggage of the past (much of which is made up - the kind of thing that Clarkson & Company like to play up for entertainment value, the same as Harris says Lambos are supercars for people who cannot drive - it sells). There are enough 25 year old Spiders and GTV's still running in the USA and Canada to make me think that the cars are not 100% garbage. For every reported horror story, I can introduce you to a real Alfa owner who has never done more than routine service. But the latter isn't nearly as entertaining to report on. One can say the same about any make, and almost every model.

Alfa's brand was in need of a re-boot in 2015. Not so much because of an imagined reliability issue, but rather the fact they produced many years worth of uninspiring machines - hard to spark the passion of Alfisti with something like the MiTo. When you read the real history of the marque, it's the kind of stuff that gives you goosebumps. The Giulia and Stelvio are meant to bring some of that back. Alfa has always been about affordable performance, and I hope that this comes to fruition. Of course, that has to be balanced against profitability - the company no longer has the national purse to back-stop it. It will have to find the sweet spot, but if it does, there is room in the marketplace.

The Giulia is not just a horsepower number and a price. It's a complete package, and a darn nice one. Yes, there are lots of other, equally good cars our there. That's great. Not sure which one I'd rather have, but that's personal preference. Your mileage can vary - it's all good.

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-24-2017, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ZCanadian

Yeah, I don't know.
I like Alfa, and I want them to succeed.
I'm not married to them or the Giulia (though I do have a 4C - and the service manual for it, so far un-opened).

I just think that Giulia is a very nice car, that shouldn't be saddled with the baggage of the past (much of which is made up - the kind of thing that Clarkson & Company like to play up for entertainment value, the same as Harris says Lambos are supercars for people who cannot drive - it sells). There are enough 25 year old Spiders and GTV's still running in the USA and Canada to make me think that the cars are not 100% garbage. For every reported horror story, I can introduce you to a real Alfa owner who has never done more than routine service. But the latter isn't nearly as entertaining to report on. One can say the same about any make, and almost every model.

Alfa's brand was in need of a re-boot in 2015. Not so much because of an imagined reliability issue, but rather the fact they produced many years worth of uninspiring machines - hard to spark the passion of Alfisti with something like the MiTo. When you read the real history of the marque, it's the kind of stuff that gives you goosebumps. The Giulia and Stelvio are meant to bring some of that back. Alfa has always been about affordable performance, and I hope that this comes to fruition. Of course, that has to be balanced against profitability - the company no longer has the national purse to back-stop it. It will have to find the sweet spot, but if it does, there is room in the marketplace.

The Giulia is not just a horsepower number and a price. It's a complete package, and a darn nice one. Yes, there are lots of other, equally good cars our there. That's great. Not sure which one I'd rather have, but that's personal preference. Your mileage can vary - it's all good.

I agree.... this car was built from the ground up to suit us in the west. So it's like starting anew. The past is exactly that. That's been my point the whole time. But ugh... in my opinion. This bad boy is the leader of the pack.

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