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XwChriswX 05-01-2013 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Joepro (Post 2295826)
tire rack go the tires here already, got them on...already thinking I made a 1200 dollar mistake, the tires ride great, grip is fantastic in the back, but my oh my, the steering response is crap and feels sloppy...I will try to play with the pressures too but I am not getting the wider tire on the front other than to compensate for the understeer from the rear being so wide...oh well, we will see. Talked to a few guys at work, may have some interested for the flashlights!

1. Like you said check pressures. 35psi all around :tup:
2. The tires are brand new, it will take about 500mi to get the slick coating off, then you'll be to the real meat of the tread.
3. Maybe double check the alignment??

Joepro 05-01-2013 07:26 PM

They are at 35, going to try 38 see if I can firm up the side walls. I know they need broke in, but its feels like slop in the sidewalls...I doubt breaking in the tires will firm up the sidewall...The alignment was good before, we ran out on time to get it on the rack we closed at 5 tonight, I am gonna get in on the rack tomorrow. Ill give it a few hundred miles, if not better I will have a GREAT deal on some tires for someone here because I will go back to stock sizes... I need that quick firm go cart response, I was afraid this might happen, but I searched the forums for days before pulling the trigger.

XwChriswX 05-01-2013 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Joepro (Post 2296055)
They are at 35, going to try 38 see if I can firm up the side walls. I know they need broke in, but its feels like slop in the sidewalls...I doubt breaking in the tires will firm up the sidewall...The alignment was good before, we ran out on time to get it on the rack we closed at 5 tonight, I am gonna get in on the rack tomorrow. Ill give it a few hundred miles, if not better I will have a GREAT deal on some tires for someone here because I will go back to stock sizes... I need that quick firm go cart response, I was afraid this might happen, but I searched the forums for days before pulling the trigger.

Once you get them broken in, you won't be disappointed, and if so it is a singular defect with a tire, not the model.

Joepro 05-01-2013 07:34 PM

I dont think its the tire, but with the smaller tire size they are slightly stretched, create a really firm sidewall for a really tight response, by going wider, you lose this a bit, which I was aware of, and why I did my reseach first on the size and no real complaints of this, Ill give it some time and see what happens, I know they are amazing tires, and I cannot believe everyone on this forum is wrong, many have gone 275/305, I went smaller than that on purpose. Time will tell, even not broken in, the tail of the car is most definitely in check!

XwChriswX 05-01-2013 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Joepro (Post 2296070)
I dont think its the tire, but with the smaller tire size they are slightly stretched, create a really firm sidewall for a really tight response, by going wider, you lose this a bit, which I was aware of, and why I did my reseach first on the size and no real complaints of this, Ill give it some time and see what happens, I know they are amazing tires, an I cannot this everyone on this forum is wrong, many have gone 275/305, I went smaller than that on purpose. Time will tell, even not broken in, the tail of the car is most definitely in check!

I'm running 255/295 right now, my next wet will be 265/295. :tup:

Joepro 05-01-2013 07:44 PM

well stay tuned, I could save you some money in the near future...

XwChriswX 05-01-2013 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Joepro (Post 2296093)
well stay tuned, I could save you some money in the near future...

:icon08:

FPenvy 05-01-2013 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Joepro (Post 2295826)
tire rack go the tires here already, got them on...already thinking I made a 1200 dollar mistake, the tires ride great, grip is fantastic in the back, but my oh my, the steering response is crap and feels sloppy...I will try to play with the pressures too but I am not getting the wider tire on the front other than to compensate for the understeer from the rear being so wide...oh well, we will see. Talked to a few guys at work, may have some interested for the flashlights!

Sorry to hear about your steering response problems. Chris may have some points about wearing off the slick coating but to be honest I loved every aspect of mine from the moment I left the shop. No issues what so ever.

As for the drags bring whoever u want I think I got 3 or 4 wanting to roll down with me. The gtr also has the fastest stock time on gtr life.com haha just realized that and he just added full intake exhaust and e85 so it's gonna be a monster. Hoping the LFA rolls too even just to look at more. It is beautiful in person.

Joepro 05-03-2013 10:44 AM

I have a total of 3 right now, first time coming down, what time should I get there? Do I need to bring anything?

FPenvy 05-03-2013 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Joepro (Post 2298707)
I have a total of 3 right now, first time coming down, what time should I get there? Do I need to bring anything?

you need nothing but the $25 to race and other cash if you want food or drinks. they have a small snack/drink stand in the vendor area. thats all i ever take.

gates open at 11:30 AM they do a drivers meeting around 1PM mostly for new people but all they really say is a long winded explanation of how things run there.

when i roll alone i usually dont get there til 1:30 but with people interested in going as well i have no problem rolling down earlier.

simply it is you go up to the staging lanes as a pair if you're running someone then once the starter sends you then you drive around to the line and run.

if you have no one specific to run and want to race there is a singles lane. pretty much standard stuff lol

there is a burnout pit with water if you need it (i usually drive around as best i can) then they added last year a very nice launch pad (much better than the plain runway). line up where the guys runnin the line tell you to stop. wait for the LED bar to light up and GO lol there is a red/blue finish/win light tree at the end. very visible in a rear view mirror to see if you won or not.

as of now i think i got 2 pgh C&C guys coming maybe a 3rd but its a last minute thing for them. hopefully get the GTR monster there and possibly the LFA lol

where are you coming from? and what time would you like to head down there?

once i get firm yes's from these other guys close to me and see if they wanna roll down together i'll have a better idea on that time frame as well. i will know more tomorrow when i see them all at the PGH C&C in the morning. most i talked to already said they have a few things to do or whatever and will just be meeting me at the races.

Joepro 05-03-2013 05:57 PM

sweet, not sure what time we will leave, about an hour drive for us...I will have a civic si with me...and Shane finally got his neon on the road, but he cant race it, it needs tuned and he is breaking in the freshly build and balanced motor...will be running 25 psi and 500+ wheel horse...its crazy.

Still on the fence about the tires, they are probably livable but there is tire roll in the corners, no doubt. Unless someone local would want these, I will probably live with it for this year, I would mount and balance them on a car for 1100 bucks if anyone is interested haha.

FPenvy 05-03-2013 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Joepro (Post 2299498)
sweet, not sure what time we will leave, about an hour drive for us...I will have a civic si with me...and Shane finally got his neon on the road, but he cant race it, it needs tuned and he is breaking in the freshly build and balanced motor...will be running 25 psi and 500+ wheel horse...its crazy.

Still on the fence about the tires, they are probably livable but there is tire roll in the corners, no doubt. Unless someone local would want these, I will probably live with it for this year, I would mount and balance them on a car for 1100 bucks if anyone is interested haha.

It takes me just under a hour to get there. Most likely ill be rolling alone maybe meeting a couple guys in Washington if they decide to go as well. I'm shooting to be there around 1 give or take.

You sure you got the right tires and not knock offs? Lol mine are amazing :p

Rusty 05-03-2013 10:19 PM

You guys have fun! :driving: :tup:

Rusty 05-03-2013 10:21 PM

Spotted a black 370Z convert in Uniontown today. Heading west on Rt40. By the Walmart.

Joepro 05-03-2013 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 2299603)

You sure you got the right tires and not knock offs? Lol mine are amazing :p

I may be over exaggerating the situation, I just did not expect there to be tire roll with these, I did some test runs and speed is the the same as before on some rural twisties, but I can feel just that tiny bit of roll on the sidewalls that was not present before...the grip is phenomenal and they ride way better than the bridgestones, but with how picky I an with the car, most might not even notice what I am experiencing, but the car had such a GINORMOUS bump in handling from the konis, I think it is making the change more noticeable.

that is one hell of a run-on.

I saw a gun metallic nismo(I think, I was passing it by at a gas station) in Latrobe 2 nights ago, and passed a MB at the Slate Run road intersection today in Gburg.

FPenvy 05-04-2013 10:49 AM

Ahhh maybe. So you def in for racing tomorrow?

Joepro 05-04-2013 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 2300221)
Ahhh maybe. So you def in for racing tomorrow?

Yes I will be there for sure, myself and 2 others possible more. can't miss
Me..only fat guy I know rolling a 370 :-)

FPenvy 05-04-2013 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Joepro (Post 2300455)
Yes I will be there for sure, myself and 2 others possible more. can't miss
Me..only fat guy I know rolling a 370 :-)

Haha aight. Ill be there around 1 pending what time I wake up lol

Joepro 05-05-2013 07:00 PM

Well didn't make it down, the civic that was coming decided to no longer wanted to run after it was re flashed last night...did not want to take a re flash, flipping hondas. I have also put in a case with Michelin, if they will not swap these out under the Michelin promise plan I am going to sell them, so if anyone local wants them I will sell them at a slight loss, and I can mount and blaance them for free if you come to my shop in Greensburg. They are the Pilot Super Sports 265/35/19 and 295/30/19.

FPenvy 05-05-2013 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Joepro (Post 2301769)
Well didn't make it down, the civic that was coming decided to no longer wanted to run after it was re flashed last night...did not want to take a re flash, flipping hondas. I have also put in a case with Michelin, if they will not swap these out under the Michelin promise plan I am going to sell them, so if anyone local wants them I will sell them at a slight loss, and I can mount and blaance them for free if you come to my shop in Greensburg. They are the Pilot Super Sports 265/35/19 and 295/30/19.

It was a good day man lots of cars. Sadly I had a bad day couldn't find traction all day. Was even spinning in 3rd.

Sucks about your tires bro

Joepro 05-06-2013 04:46 PM

Street cars only at PRP tomorrow night! 630-1030.

FPenvy 05-06-2013 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Joepro (Post 2303068)
Street cars only at PRP tomorrow night! 630-1030.

Saw that but I got playoff for my dart league tomorrow and the pens game lol

Joepro 05-07-2013 04:52 PM

Tire rack agreed to swap the tires out...Hope this does the trick...if not all you pss guys are smoking crack! Wondering if my suspension setup is a culprit as well...the konis made this thing like a go cart...then the tires messed it all up!

They canceled test n, tune...pens game it is! :-)

FPenvy 05-07-2013 06:23 PM

I love my tires I think u just got a bad set. Every other person with them loves em so I don't think we are on crack lol

Anyways go pens!!!!!

Joepro 05-07-2013 06:45 PM

I think they are good tires, not saying they are not, I will make a final judgement when I get the narrower tires. If they were on anything else they would be great, it just seems that most people accept the little but of tire roll at these sizes and neglect it, if the car was boosted and I "needed" this size tire I would dismiss it...however at this power level, my car needs to be a handling machine, and the swifts and konis do that...these tires compromised that a bit, which at this time is not acceptable. I am excited to see how the stock sizes perform!

FPenvy 05-07-2013 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Joepro (Post 2305201)
I think they are good tires, not saying they are not, I will make a final judgement when I get the narrower tires. If they were on anything else they would be great, it just seems that most people accept the little but of tire roll at these sizes and neglect it, if the car was boosted and I "needed" this size tire I would dismiss it...however at this power level, my car needs to be a handling machine, and the swifts and konis do that...these tires compromised that a bit, which at this time is not acceptable. I am excited to see how the stock sizes perform!

I agree. Whenever you get the new ones lets us know what happens then.

Honesty 05-08-2013 01:48 PM

I had PSSs on my car when I first got it and couldn't stand them. Going from Star Specs on my M3 and RSX-S, it was a step backward in grip and response. I thought the PSS were just not as aggressive as I wanted. I think they are more of a touring tire that can be sporty, than a sporty tire you can drive on the street.

I don't think the size is the problem so much. The extra slop could be dialed away with some PSI. When I autox, I need stiff sidewalls and usually go 43 to 46 psi actually. 38 is way too low to me.

FPenvy 05-08-2013 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Honesty (Post 2306476)
I had PSSs on my car when I first got it and couldn't stand them. Going from Star Specs on my M3 and RSX-S, it was a step backward in grip and response. I thought the PSS were just not as aggressive as I wanted. I think they are more of a touring tire that can be sporty, than a sporty tire you can drive on the street.

I don't think the size is the problem so much. The extra slop could be dialed away with some PSI. When I autox, I need stiff sidewalls and usually go 43 to 46 psi actually. 38 is way too low to me.

i think i'm only running the stock PSI of 35 or whatever it says. :ugh2:

Honesty 05-08-2013 01:55 PM

I will say this though, the PSS were great in the rain and very quiet comparatively.

Honesty 05-08-2013 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 2306484)
i think i'm only running the stock PSI of 35 or whatever it says. :ugh2:

And that's fine. You'll get abnormal wear over 40 tbh.

FPenvy 05-08-2013 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Honesty (Post 2306491)
And that's fine. You'll get abnormal wear over 40 tbh.

yea i still havent tried dumpin out some PSI at the strip. too nervous to hurt the tires possibly just for self gratification of a couple thousandths of a second faster.

XwChriswX 05-08-2013 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 2306496)
yea i still havent tried dumpin out some PSI at the strip. too nervous to hurt the tires possibly just for self gratification of a couple thousandths of a second faster.

That's funny coming from you, I would think you'd be exactly the sort to do everything for that lil extra bit. :icon17:

FPenvy 05-08-2013 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by XwChriswX (Post 2306797)
That's funny coming from you, I would think you'd be exactly the sort to do everything for that lil extra bit. :icon17:

Not at the expense of ruining $1500 worth of tires more than I already have lol unless I needed it to beat a friend for bragging rights but none of you came close enough to scare me.

XwChriswX 05-08-2013 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 2306824)
Not at the expense of ruining $1500 worth of tires more than I already have lol unless I needed it to beat a friend for bragging rights but none of you came close enough to scare me.

Only 1 other person ran the strip? What do you mean no one came close? :icon17:

Besides, he was behind the power curve as it was with an open diff.. :facepalm:

FPenvy 05-08-2013 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by XwChriswX (Post 2306827)
Only 1 other person ran the strip? What do you mean no one came close? :icon17:

Besides, he was behind the power curve as it was with an open diff.. :facepalm:

Excuses lol

XwChriswX 05-08-2013 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 2306835)
Excuses lol

BTW, at the AAM meet, I did put down more TQ than you... :tiphat:

Just sayin... :rolleyes:

FPenvy 05-08-2013 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by XwChriswX (Post 2306876)
BTW, at the AAM meet, I did put down more TQ than you... :tiphat:

Just sayin... :rolleyes:

Haha ok I smoke my tires already I'm good with what I got. How bout the real number also the only number people talk about. WHP? I'm guessing less. Also what's your best 1/4 mile? Yea that's what I thought ;)

XwChriswX 05-08-2013 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 2306885)
Haha ok I smoke my tires already I'm good with what I got. How bout the real number also the only number people talk about. WHP? I'm guessing less. Also what's your best 1/4 mile? Yea that's what I thought ;)

That's funny considering TQ is what's actually being put down, and HP is a mathematical calculation based on RPMs, but I know your ego won't listen. :rolleyes:

I haven't ran on the strip yet, so who knows. But I will be this summer... Don't you worry. :tiphat:

FPenvy 05-08-2013 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by XwChriswX (Post 2306908)
That's funny considering TQ is what's actually being put down, and HP is a mathematical calculation based on RPMs, but I know your ego won't listen. :rolleyes:

I haven't ran on the strip yet, so who knows. But I will be this summer... Don't you worry. :tiphat:

Not a chance. Good luck. Haha

Joepro 05-08-2013 08:15 PM

Ok the verdict is in, I got the stock sized pss on, and yes, the size was 90% of the problem. The steering response still is crap on these tires...I honest cannot understand how people on these forums bashed the stock tires so much, they had better steering response and stiffer sidewalls, and the re50a is not regarded by the people as a good tire...and mine were dry rotting away, that's why I changed them! ANYWAY, I am much happier now, the car does no roll like a boat at sea in corners now, and is acceptable. Will I ever buy pss again, not at this price point, IMO they perform in the 700-800 dollar range, the KDWs on my 350 are similar to these in handling and grip, makes me wonder about the new BFG, might have saved 400 bucks...if I changed these out again, I would do this, 255/35/19 F and 285/30/19 R, this will go a tad wider but keep the sides short, yet shorter than stock, but it should help with steering response. Michelin has everyone brain washed, sorry guys, I agree 100% with Honesty, and I am running these at 40 PSI now, I want to back them off to 38 and see if that is ok. Keep in mine I still have to break these in, ram around for about 50 miles after work tonight they are still a tad slippy yet.


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