Holy. Sh*t.

Read it all. I can't believe how terrible the whole situation was. Man, I'd post this on every forum. What a bunch of scum bag pieces of crap.

Btw, sorry again you had to go through that. Come by tomorrow, coffee's on me dude.

I'll try and help you find a nice GT-R if you'd like.

I read your thread Ben. What a mess... That sucks, sorry to hear this.

Dealers are scam artists. 2/3 nissan dealerships I've purchase vehicles from were pathetic, and put me through an experience. If you disregard expenses of the car, and consider it's the same sales people who sell GTR's and used Muranos there are no excuses.

Forget warranties man, and maybe the answer is to buy a car from a private party, have the car inspected by a good mechanic you trust, and enter a situation you feel comfortable with, after you satisfied all your concerns. This place sounds like a bad business, and it's a good thing you trusted your gut and got the hell out of there.

There are more GTR's, and that money will go far in a lot of places, keep looking and find the right car man. GL

Arnold , the carfax you originally posted with the miles not going up like they should could of easily been some one rolling back the miles.. car fax wouldn't pick that up as mile fraud unless he went backwards... he could of simply left the car out of the dealer and rolled it back to a little over the last time he was there..

also people who have gtr's may be anal about the car and have it looked at more than normal.. i mean yea it was checked extensively but maybe he wanted to make sure his car was good to go at all times... no reason that changing fluid is a bad thing, its an expensive transmission, maybe he wanted to change it... but the fact that the car was driven 1-2k a month to 1k a year is def a red flag for me.. and i would stay away from that car based on that fact...

as for the car fax on SK's , I see nothing wrong with it at all.. seems like Mercedes prob bought the car to sell, realized it wasn't worth it, wholesaled it , was bought in an auction by "Tims garage" and sold... than that owner sold it... the car is expensive to own, people buy it than realize it and get rid of it... his carfax looks fine to me... I wouldn't of wrote that car off based on that at all...

I am about to check sk's entire story now though, i feel bad before i looked at his thread :icon14:

Hey guys, thanks for the support. I'm going to war.

Ben, again im sorry to hear about this. Seems like a common problem with dealers. I was also outright lied to about the price of my z by rockland nissan, but the car itself didnt have nearly the problems you experienced with th gtr (except for the bald tires mine had as well). What ny nissan dealership did you have problems with?

I had a bad experience with Advantage Nissan - the finance guy is actually gone (left or fired, they wouldn't say - but didn't sound surprised as my issue) and now and I'm going over next week I believe to possibly remedy an erroneous charge.

Thanks man.

My reasoning as well.


Thanks man - I know, crazy in the end. Won't be going with a Nissan at all for the next car. Looking to get rid of the Z soon and probably go Evo or Sti or who knows...I just can't see giving Nissan a penny ... sorry guys.

Thanks man - you guys are straight classy. heh. Really, you guys are solid. Thanks for all the support.

bmw 335 :tup:

They are nice - I do want something that already has factory turbo(s).

Don't be discouraged. I hate Nissan dealers as much as the next guy (though I had a pleasure dealing with Legend Nissan with 4 different purchases...look them up on Dealerrater.com). It's not the cars' faults they're tied down to shitty dealers. It's just the sad state of the business of car dealers. I've been to BMW, Benz, Lexus, Audi, and Infiniti dealers who tried to scam or rip me off one way or another.

You will not win anywhere you go. You just have to do some online research using tools like Dealerrater.com to find the best dealership and go there and speak to the most recommended person. The Z is an amazing car, and I don't let these sh*tty dealers get me down about it.

i mean... you get just as much power with a 335 as a wrx or evo but its actually nice inside. also available with AWD, and when its tuned its faster than either of them.

Bump for today's meet btw.

Jeffrey, bring the camera.

Giggity... :)

[QUOTE=mr_sk;1399214]I had a bad experience with Advantage Nissan - the finance guy is actually gone (left or fired, they wouldn't say - but didn't sound surprised as my issue) and now and I'm going over next week I believe to possibly remedy an erroneous charge.QUOTE]

I also know of a bad experience with Advantage Nissan. My sister was bought a pathfinder there in January. She had VPP pricing and with all the deals going on at the time, she thought she was going to have a pretty easy transaction. It ended up being one of the worst car buying experience I've ever seen. Setting the price and negotiating went smoothly since the VPP pricing was pretty much set. The problem started with the finance manager. She signed the paperwork on the last day of Nissan's end of the year sales event. All seemed fine. We leave with the new car and the finance manager said we would need to come back the next day to get a copy of the paperwork. Didn't seem out of the ordinary, so she said okay. Well, the next day, the finance manager said she was going to mail the paperwork instead, so my sister said "that's fine". A week goes by, still nothing. Called again and said to just come by the dealership. Of course, she (the finance manager) wasn't there that day and just left the paperwork. After reviewing what the finance manager had given, it looked like a lot of it was missing including the bill of sales. Just some kind of photocopied receipt. The final price of the car was also over $12,000 more than what was agreed upon, I kid you not. It turns out, the finance manager missed the deadline or screwed something up with the rebates. She also tacked on an extended warranty and service contract that was never agreed on. She also left out the balance of the trade-in. After speaking to manager after manager, managers promising to resolve matter and other BS, my sister spent almost six months before she got refunded the difference. They fired that manager because of this, but they wouldn't honor the original deal. It put her in a rough spot because she had already sent payments on the car every month. It was a lot worst than I make it sound. I will never buy another car from these guys. We also found out about a month later that they never registered the car with DMV, wft?

If you can, check out Koeppel Nissan in Jackson Heights. Ask to talk to Joe. He's the sales manager there I think. He's a great guy and will give you a great price. They're also a GT-R Certified dealer. You won't be disappointed in them at all trust me.

Yep. Koeppel and Legend are the ONLY two Nissan dealers I can vouch for. Have had fantastic experiences with both.

Stay the hell away from Star Nissan, Kings Nissan, Habberstad, and even Smithtown Nissan doesn't have the best rep even though they're connected to Performance Motorsport.

Another vouch for Koeppel. EXCELLENT service department. Will probably buy my next car from them. Wanted to buy a z from them but they didnt have one at the time

yea Joe is the best try em out iv bought 3 cars from him all was easy and fast

Meet turned out to be good. 350s, 370s, and 335is. :)

here is a higher mileage GTR for 59k

Cars for Sale: 2009 Nissan GT-R Premium in Canton, MA 02021: Coupe Details - 304457534 - AutoTrader.com

lower mileage for under 60 in NY - should be under factory warranty still, and you may be able to buy an extended from nissan like I did with my BMW i purchased from acura
Cars for Sale: 2009 Nissan GT-R Premium in Queens Village, NY 11429: Coupe Details - 307791427 - AutoTrader.com

White one (hotness) for a little more from a nissan dealer with low miles.. looking at this car has made my mind up on what my next car is
Cars for Sale: 2009 Nissan GT-R in Inwood, NY 11096: Coupe Details - 309901776 - AutoTrader.com

And if your only goal is to go fast in a straight line check out evo's.... You build the motor put a FP , green/red/black (not sure whats the biggest) run race gas and build your tranny and you are in the 10s cutting 1.5 60 foots... you can buy an evo for 20k and for 15k have a reliable , somewhat daily drivable car with 600-700whp on race gas.... Which also handles pretty good... The MR's a few years come with nice leather bucket seats, but the dash board is pittiful...

The new STI with a built block and FP turbo also puts out really nice numbers esp on e85 .... there is a local guy around my area with a new sti hatch with the plate V8Bait that has well over 500 awhp in its every day trim .... car is bananas and looks real nice...

none of these car have half the presence and technology that the GTR has but they are half the price and potentially just as fast

and how would that help improve their reputation? :stirthepot::rolleyes:

built motor=/= something that should be daily driven

I will have to check out Koepell in the future. Thanks.

Damn guys - sounds like I'm going to reach out to Koeppel. heh.

Great meet. Thanks again for the coffee Arnold.

Thanks Chuck - (By the way, left you a VM this AM about the track). I'll check these cars out, though I'm not sure I'm ready to do anything right now ...

Personally, I like the STI's, since I had one in the past 320whp and it was a blast - and awesome in the snow. Not sure what the evo scene is like out here either. I'm sure for like 35k i could build a beast. I would be concerned about reliability though ...

heh gotcha - I don't DD but when I do drive it can for 4-6 hours at a time over a long distance.

I'm going to Smithtown Nissan tomorrow, stopping by PM for the coffee and bagel thing and then stopping by my buddies at VTR to say hello. Let me know if you guys are around.

Edit: My partout thread is up, BTW: http://www.the370z.com/parts-sale-pr...-dynodash.html

how was that thing at performance? did you buy a gtr today ben???

Performance was fun - I hung out with Alex and met some great guys. Saw Arnold on my way out. PM had some nice whips, porsche, TT 370, GTR, etc etc.

Nice shop too - I went over to Smithtown Nissan and Alex introduced me to some guys. Honestly, I think I'm going to buy a 2011 EVO with a goal of 400 tq/whp. I think it's very doable on the stock engine w/93.

After that I went to VTR - they had two GTRs over there - Anthony w/the white 09 (~580 at the wheels w/~20 lbs boost) and another 2010 gunmetal silver - loud as ****. Straight pipes w/Meistercraft (sp) CBE. Could hear it miles away, heh.

I say this because after all this, I think I want a new or -1 year GTR. Not an 09. And since I don't want to spend more than ~65k, I'll always be near the end of the 3 year warranty and have 3 years of previous owner *damage* heh. So, I'll wait until I can spend 85k on a GTR and do it right, instead of reaching now and having to settle.

An Evo or Sti (But I already tuned an STi in the past), so Evo, is way cheaper (than a GTR) and relatively cheap to tune (good $ to whp ratio). It also fits 4x people and has AWD.

I'm not a BMW guy; they are VERY nice, both exterior and interior, but they are just "not me". Maybe in a few years my view wil change. I sort of feel the same way about Infiniti. I want AWD, so no Mustang. Anyways, that's my current thought(s).

You guys coming out Wed? (Oh no, just looked at the weather ...)

i'm not a bmw guy, per se, either... go test drive a 335 xi coupe before you make your car decision.

Live 3 blocks away, stopping by this week. Hope to see some nice Z out !

Fair enough - I'll swing by today - however, the MSRP is like ~46k on a new one ...

if you were gonna get a used GTR whats stopping you from getting used anything else? i paid 35k for a CPO 2008 335xi coupe that was fully loaded and i have warranty coverage until august 2014 (6 years from original purchase date)/100k miles. and you can still get close to your 400whp with bolt ons and a tune. you're at about 340 with just a tune.

i'm not recommending the car because i'm fanboi or anything, its honestly just my opinion that its a very good car and from what it sounds like you are looking for, might be very suitable. if you said you wanted a track car or something that would be insanely fast, i wouldn't say go for it.You want something thats AWD, Fun, tunable/respond well to mods, and arguably practical, and its just that. that's exactly the reason i got it. It can pretty much do anything an evo or STI can do except its quiet and comfortable.

http://accessecu.com/images/BMW_335i_Stage2.jpg

You win man. You win. Picking up a 2011 335 xi tomorrow. What a blast to drive. Got an automatic, I don't care, it's not a track car or a drag car (though I will take it to the drag strip) - it was a blast to drive, beautiful inside (kicks the **** outta the evo/sti), AWD, pretty docile looking on the outside and has a great warranty. blah blah, don't have to tell you man. I'll take it to the meet tomorrow. I'll keep this thing for a while, or at least until I get a new GTR.

haha wow really?? thats aweosme. i really like the automatic in this car. its a really nice transmission. i felt pretty much the same after i drove one. my tuner was telling me i should get one and i was like 'ehh i'm not a bmw guy really' he's like 'go drive one' i was sold haha. even stock i love it. i've been in a few full bolt on/tuned ones and they are real fast too.

fyi the 2010's have the n55 motor which doesn't have forged internals and is single turbo... a lot of the 335 people seem to prefer the n54 motor which is twin turbo and has forged internals. i'm not sure i haven't done that much research on it. But either way stock for stock a n55 and n54 will perform pretty much the same, its just when modding the n54 has a little more potential, but unless you are modding it to the max i think you'll be ok. just something to consider though.

Wow...that was a fast purchase. Another 335 conversion to add to the list.

Between 2007-2008 the N54 used forged internals. For 2009 the N54 used cast. And for 2010+ BMW uses the single-turbo N55 which cannot handle as much power as the N54 can. Same bolt ons and tune from both cars will show a 40WHP difference - the most the N55 can make with bolt ons + tune is ~360WHP. The N54 can do 400WHP, before meth.

mef!

Interesting... didnt know all the details. oh mrsk, make sure your car comes equipped with an oil cooler and the sport seats. the sport seats are the one with like 500 adjustments on it.

All good points - I'm not going to do a ton of modding to this - ecu, fmic and turbo back and call it a day. Didn't know all the differences w/the models that is good to know. Yeah, I think it has sport seats, the oil cooler not so sure about, will check.

I literally drove all sorts of cars today, went to every dealer in smithtown; audi, vw, audi, bmw, etc. Happy w/the car, going back tomorrow to finalize.

cool glad to hear. btw the 335 has a full 2.5" exhaust from the factory, only do an exhaust if you want sound. The best bang for your buck in bolt ons is the downpipes, and FMIC. and of course the tune.

so what did you get? sedan/coupe? color?

I got silver coupe w/black interior, all sorts of options. If the weather holds, I'll come through with it tomorrow.

I'd like to change the sound, something a bit deeper. This company has a few parts for the car: BMW Performance Tuners | 335 Performance | BMW Chip | E90 Tuning | BMW 335 Performance | BMW Wheel Spacers

if you want the tune, get a cobb. definitely the simplest option. most expensive but best one. it'll cost you about 750, but its a reflash not a piggyback like the jb4. check out the golf tee mod. it'll make your exhaust louder. arnold did it to his gf's car.

OK cool, will look into it. Had good experience with Cobb in the past. Will probably do tune, dp, cbe and fmic. Sounds goooood - oh and wheels in the spring.

haha. hey when you get a bubble in one of your ruflats... i have a brand new front rft haha. :P sold all the others.

I don't think you can get an XDrive 335i with oil cooler. Also, they only come with sports if you got any one of the numerous "sport packages" that used to be available for the car, this includes just getting the paddle shifter option, for example. Now, BMW only has one sport package for the 335 AWD coupes (M Sport), which is the only way to get the sport seats.