[OFFICIAL] Discussion for the next new Nissan 400Z Z35?

FL 4Motion · 08-05-2023, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by NecioVato

Looks wise - I like both the 370z and the new Z; but I feel at its current price point - I just wouldn't get one new. Even though it is offering the TT setup and it can be modded etc. I just feel it priced itself outside of what it should have been when compared to the competition. The fact that this car is not performing well (at least according to the YouTube click-baiters etc) but still - some of those guys I definitely respect their opinion and they aren't Nissan haters etc.

The question for me is - is it better to TT the current 370z and deal with the headaches associated with it, or is it better to take a newer platform such as the new Z which has the TT setup and the piping etc etc - and then look to address the shortcomings it has mainly with the braking and suspension. I would be on the idea of taking a new Z and going from there - but between the price and the markups bc of lack of availability - not sure anymore.

Regardless - I do agree - adding suspension bits to the 370z really transforms the car. Having a TT setup out of the box and an improved interior - add the SPL catalogue and I'm sure the new Z will be great. My only issue - is the price. You are starting off at such a high price that it has turned from 'bargain' to 'not so much anymore'. Maybe after this car has been out for about 5yrs - will I look for a used one to then mod it to my specs - but then I will be looking to cross shop it with a manual Supra as well.

I’ll always be of the opinion that value wise, headache wise, etc, modding a factory fi’d car is always the smarter move vs going fi on an na car.

At Msrp, I don’t think there’s a value issue with the new Z, the price is fair imo. Now, the markups, any markups on this car are ridiculous but the market will bear what it will bear.

Unfortunately, in our post Covid world of high inflation and permanent supply chain issues, everything is more expensive “than it should be” so it’s hard to see any value anywhere anymore, and even as inflation is moderating somewhat, prices never go back down so we’re kinda stuck.

The manual Supra is a tempting car for sure, Toyota was smart to release it. I’m personally not a fan of the looks of the Supra, but I do love it’s performance/interior and the bmw tuning potential is awesome. Even just a jb4 is killer.

It’s actually really nice that we still have these options available to us as enthusiasts still in ‘23+.

Bonzo · 08-05-2023, 07:14 PM

Impressions:

In comparison I don't like the electronic steering. I didn't try Sport mode so that may have helped. If I wasn't doing a direct comparo I might not mind it, but......

The new Z feels even more like a touring car and less like a spirited racer. Its smoother overall...

Add to it that the interior noise level is much quieter in back. Not sure what they put back there (new owners need to take out the panels and show us), but it's much more subdued than my car with 100% full fatmat in back. But....

The exhaust note is now clear as day and much louder inside the car. Compared to mine it almost sounds fake like its being pumped in (like on some electric cars).

The auto trans shifter knob contraption is HORRIBLE. Wow do I hate that thing. Completely stupid how it works. Having all buttons (next to the START button) would have looked and operated better.

More next.....

Bonzo · 08-05-2023, 07:23 PM

Anyone saying the interior is an upgrade is smoking crack in my mind. First of all, the back is the exact same. The doors are the same except the trim is now black, and the plastic thing around the window buttons is even cheaper crappy looking plastic (I had mine covered with real carbon fiber in matte finish). The seats are the exact same. Only the dash, center console, and steering wheel is different.

Steering wheel has nicer leather than my 370. But, the buttons and stuff to make things work is convoluted in my opinion. Its certainly much harder to operate while driving than the simple 370 layout.

I don't like the fancy pancy readouts. I didn't even try the radio, but I find its size and angled pushed into the cockpit design obtrusive. I like my Sport 370 much more. Mine is more pure sports car.

The driver center is a bunch of gimmicky looking lights. One of the settings is just really dumb. I didn't sit and study it all but I much prefer my old school fully analog gauges.

Bonzo · 08-05-2023, 07:31 PM

I wish I had gotten a chance to try the launch control. Oh well. The new manual mode shifter only has paddles. That sucks because when I'm in manual mode I much prefer pulling and pushing on the shifter itself.

They put what looks like an afterthought piece on top of the driver console, which makes the entire thing higher. They must have thought people actually like the obnoxiously tall one in the Camaro, which I hate.

The extra cup holder would be nice when the wife is riding with me, as is the tailgate latch release.

That's all I can think of at the moment.

Again, as I've said before. I don't find this car a reason to swap out a 370 for it. I think its a nice car if you have never had a 370, or are just looking for a cooler car if all you have is sedans or SUVs. Trading in a 370 to get this is a waste of time in my book. I'd look to getting something totally different instead, like the Supra, a Vette, or a Cayman.

Bonzo · 08-05-2023, 07:37 PM

Oh wait. My 370 Sport wheels look 100 times better, but that's me maybe. The new wheels are LAME in comparison. Much like boring Ferrari wheels. No thanks. Of course I'm biased, but I think the 370 Sport wheels are among some of the best looking factory stock wheels of all time, on any make car.

FL 4Motion · 08-05-2023, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Bonzo

I wish I had gotten a chance to try the launch control. Oh well. The new manual mode shifter only has paddles. That sucks because when I'm in manual mode I much prefer pulling and pushing on the shifter itself.

They put what looks like an afterthought piece on top of the driver console, which makes the entire thing higher. They must have thought people actually like the obnoxiously tall one in the Camaro, which I hate.

The extra cup holder would be nice when the wife is riding with me, as is the tailgate latch release.

That's all I can think of at the moment.

Again, as I've said before. I don't find this car a reason to swap out a 370 for it. I think its a nice car if you have never had a 370, or are just looking for a cooler car if all you have is sedans or SUVs. Trading in a 370 to get this is a waste of time in my book. I'd look to getting something totally different instead, like the Supra, a Vette, or a Cayman.

Thanks for taking the time to post an in depth review.

I’m looking forward to getting a chance to sit in/drive one at some point.

Not surprised you didn’t like it though.

NecioVato · 08-07-2023, 10:35 AM

Thanks for the review for sure. That is the one thing I keep hearing (still haven't had the chance to drive one yet but looking forward to it for sure) - that its more GT than sports car. I guess that is okay like you were saying - if you own a sedan or SUV and want something that is sportier etc.

Bonzo · 08-22-2023, 06:43 PM

Dealer told me they were already thinking of selling it back at auction (where they got it). Lowered his list to 48k for me. I said no thanks.

Well, the car is no longer out front at their lot, and I saw a yellow one in the auction lot today by where I work. Only caught a quick glimpse. If I remember tomorrow I'll take time to drive in and look. Auctions are on Thursdays so I need to look tomorrow.

If its the same car, that tells me something about a lot of things from slimy dealers to this car's real demand.

Bonzo · 08-23-2023, 05:08 PM

Yep, exact same car I drove.

I'm sorry, but NOBODY I know is excited about this car. Everyone thinks its a dud.

Any dealer trying to sell this car with 34k miles for $53k is nuts. Anyone who pays it either has too much money or has a screw loose. This car is not worth all that.

Bonzo · 08-23-2023, 05:55 PM

Oh, and that yellow does not help. Its somewhat similar to the pail yellow on the C8 Vettes. There is a reason why you just don't see many that color. Pail yellow is just not as desirable on a sports car like a bright yellow is.

nis350 · 09-02-2023, 04:33 PM

I personal think the Supra is better looking and performs better than the new Z in a similar price range.

The C8 is definitely in the different league in term of look, performance and PRICE. A nicely equipped (LT2) is around $80K+ MSRP. However, the current markup is around $10 to $15k for the ones in stock.

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Originally Posted by Bonzo

I'd look to getting something totally different instead, like the Supra, a Vette, or a Cayman.

vtec to vvel · 09-02-2023, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Bonzo

Simple test drive complete.

I'll stick with my 370Z.

Forget the price, the new Z just doesn't have the "wow" factor and just isn't appealing to me. Depending on the angle, it's to the likes of someone going to the barber and getting a very bad haircut. Nissan added/took away the wrong aspects to/of this car.

vtec to vvel · 09-02-2023, 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bonzo

Yep, exact same car I drove.

I'm sorry, but NOBODY I know is excited about this car. Everyone thinks its a dud.

Any dealer trying to sell this car with 34k miles for $53k is nuts. Anyone who pays it either has too much money or has a screw loose. This car is not worth all that.

Depending on the angle, it looks like the early 2010 Mitsubishi Eclipse (before they made it a crossover), but it also reminds me of an s2k that gained alot of weight in the wrong places.

Bonzo · 09-03-2023, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by vtec to vvel

Depending on the angle, it looks like the early 2010 Mitsubishi Eclipse (before they made it a crossover), but it also reminds me of an s2k that gained alot of weight in the wrong places.

It definitely looks FAT and heavy compared to the 370.

gr8-wrx · 09-03-2023, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Bonzo

Yep, exact same car I drove.

I'm sorry, but NOBODY I know is excited about this car. Everyone thinks its a dud.

Any dealer trying to sell this car with 34k miles for $53k is nuts. Anyone who pays it either has too much money or has a screw loose. This car is not worth all that.

Car looks very sad there.

08-05-2023, 07:14 PM	#7082 (permalink)
Bonzo Track Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Ohio Posts: 690 Drives: Finally, a 370Z!!! Rep Power: 3371	Impressions: In comparison I don't like the electronic steering. I didn't try Sport mode so that may have helped. If I wasn't doing a direct comparo I might not mind it, but...... The new Z feels even more like a touring car and less like a spirited racer. Its smoother overall... Add to it that the interior noise level is much quieter in back. Not sure what they put back there (new owners need to take out the panels and show us), but it's much more subdued than my car with 100% full fatmat in back. But.... The exhaust note is now clear as day and much louder inside the car. Compared to mine it almost sounds fake like its being pumped in (like on some electric cars). The auto trans shifter knob contraption is HORRIBLE. Wow do I hate that thing. Completely stupid how it works. Having all buttons (next to the START button) would have looked and operated better. More next..... FL 4Motion and NecioVato like this. __________________ Finally Able To Order 2012 Model 8/24/2011 Delivered Tuesday November 15, 9:57 am!!! 2012, Auto, White, Sport, Kick Plates

08-05-2023, 07:23 PM	#7083 (permalink)
Bonzo Track Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Ohio Posts: 690 Drives: Finally, a 370Z!!! Rep Power: 3371	Anyone saying the interior is an upgrade is smoking crack in my mind. First of all, the back is the exact same. The doors are the same except the trim is now black, and the plastic thing around the window buttons is even cheaper crappy looking plastic (I had mine covered with real carbon fiber in matte finish). The seats are the exact same. Only the dash, center console, and steering wheel is different. Steering wheel has nicer leather than my 370. But, the buttons and stuff to make things work is convoluted in my opinion. Its certainly much harder to operate while driving than the simple 370 layout. I don't like the fancy pancy readouts. I didn't even try the radio, but I find its size and angled pushed into the cockpit design obtrusive. I like my Sport 370 much more. Mine is more pure sports car. The driver center is a bunch of gimmicky looking lights. One of the settings is just really dumb. I didn't sit and study it all but I much prefer my old school fully analog gauges. FL 4Motion and NecioVato like this. __________________ Finally Able To Order 2012 Model 8/24/2011 Delivered Tuesday November 15, 9:57 am!!! 2012, Auto, White, Sport, Kick Plates

08-05-2023, 07:31 PM	#7084 (permalink)
Bonzo Track Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Ohio Posts: 690 Drives: Finally, a 370Z!!! Rep Power: 3371	I wish I had gotten a chance to try the launch control. Oh well. The new manual mode shifter only has paddles. That sucks because when I'm in manual mode I much prefer pulling and pushing on the shifter itself. They put what looks like an afterthought piece on top of the driver console, which makes the entire thing higher. They must have thought people actually like the obnoxiously tall one in the Camaro, which I hate. The extra cup holder would be nice when the wife is riding with me, as is the tailgate latch release. That's all I can think of at the moment. Again, as I've said before. I don't find this car a reason to swap out a 370 for it. I think its a nice car if you have never had a 370, or are just looking for a cooler car if all you have is sedans or SUVs. Trading in a 370 to get this is a waste of time in my book. I'd look to getting something totally different instead, like the Supra, a Vette, or a Cayman. NecioVato and Firebase99 like this. __________________ Finally Able To Order 2012 Model 8/24/2011 Delivered Tuesday November 15, 9:57 am!!! 2012, Auto, White, Sport, Kick Plates

08-05-2023, 07:37 PM	#7085 (permalink)
Bonzo Track Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Ohio Posts: 690 Drives: Finally, a 370Z!!! Rep Power: 3371	Oh wait. My 370 Sport wheels look 100 times better, but that's me maybe. The new wheels are LAME in comparison. Much like boring Ferrari wheels. No thanks. Of course I'm biased, but I think the 370 Sport wheels are among some of the best looking factory stock wheels of all time, on any make car. __________________ Finally Able To Order 2012 Model 8/24/2011 Delivered Tuesday November 15, 9:57 am!!! 2012, Auto, White, Sport, Kick Plates

08-22-2023, 06:43 PM	#7088 (permalink)
Bonzo Track Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Ohio Posts: 690 Drives: Finally, a 370Z!!! Rep Power: 3371	Dealer told me they were already thinking of selling it back at auction (where they got it). Lowered his list to 48k for me. I said no thanks. Well, the car is no longer out front at their lot, and I saw a yellow one in the auction lot today by where I work. Only caught a quick glimpse. If I remember tomorrow I'll take time to drive in and look. Auctions are on Thursdays so I need to look tomorrow. If its the same car, that tells me something about a lot of things from slimy dealers to this car's real demand. __________________ Finally Able To Order 2012 Model 8/24/2011 Delivered Tuesday November 15, 9:57 am!!! 2012, Auto, White, Sport, Kick Plates

08-07-2023, 10:35 AM	#7087 (permalink)
NecioVato Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Dallas TX Posts: 319 Drives: 2017 Black Nismo Z Rep Power: 19786	Thanks for the review for sure. That is the one thing I keep hearing (still haven't had the chance to drive one yet but looking forward to it for sure) - that its more GT than sports car. I guess that is okay like you were saying - if you own a sedan or SUV and want something that is sportier etc.

08-23-2023, 05:08 PM	#7089 (permalink)
Bonzo Track Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Ohio Posts: 690 Drives: Finally, a 370Z!!! Rep Power: 3371	Yep, exact same car I drove. I'm sorry, but NOBODY I know is excited about this car. Everyone thinks its a dud. Any dealer trying to sell this car with 34k miles for $53k is nuts. Anyone who pays it either has too much money or has a screw loose. This car is not worth all that. Optimiser and chowtoo like this. __________________ Finally Able To Order 2012 Model 8/24/2011 Delivered Tuesday November 15, 9:57 am!!! 2012, Auto, White, Sport, Kick Plates

08-23-2023, 05:55 PM	#7090 (permalink)
Bonzo Track Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Ohio Posts: 690 Drives: Finally, a 370Z!!! Rep Power: 3371	Oh, and that yellow does not help. Its somewhat similar to the pail yellow on the C8 Vettes. There is a reason why you just don't see many that color. Pail yellow is just not as desirable on a sports car like a bright yellow is. __________________ Finally Able To Order 2012 Model 8/24/2011 Delivered Tuesday November 15, 9:57 am!!! 2012, Auto, White, Sport, Kick Plates

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