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Originally Posted by ped Cool videos! I'm concerned about "drive by wire" and hope that isn't part of the Z - we want MORE connection with the car not less.

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Old 08-04-2016, 01:55 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Cool videos! I'm concerned about "drive by wire" and hope that isn't part of the Z - we want MORE connection with the car not less.
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You have to remember, to each their own. Honestly I think the new Z will be amazing.

I think realistically trying to get a car 400+bhp and around or under 3000lbs would just be way to expensive to make. I mean that's better numbers then a porsche cayman gt4 starting at $84,000. Possible, yes. Probable ... Probably not.
Everyone keeps posting numbers and commenting on similarities that would put the Z in Cayman or Cayman S range. Weight and PEAK HP isn't everything, keyword being peak that everyone seems to leave out.

Right now the Z is competitive with a base 981 Cayman 2.7L (275 crank hp), but significantly slower than a 981 Cayman S 3.4L (325 crank), even though its right in the middle in terms of weight to power

Peak HP and weight are components, but it's not going to put Nissan in a straight line competition with a GT4, let alone an S model Cayman. Not to mention figure 8 and other handling performance.

See comparison below for the hypothetical Z, assuming a straight percent change from weight ratio to 0-60 time(which isnt realistic) and drastic weight reduction (which also isn't realistic with the front engine setup). All other numbers based on car and driver best times, not manufacturer websites.

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Everyone keeps posting numbers and commenting on similarities that would put the Z in Cayman or Cayman S range. Weight and PEAK HP isn't everything, keyword being peak that everyone seems to leave out.

Right now the Z is competitive with a base 981 Cayman 2.7L (275 crank hp), but significantly slower than a 981 Cayman S 3.4L (325 crank), even though its right in the middle in terms of weight to power

Peak HP and weight are components, but it's not going to put Nissan in a straight line competition with a GT4, let alone an S model Cayman. Not to mention figure 8 and other handling performance.

See comparison below for the hypothetical Z, assuming a straight percent change from weight ratio to 0-60 time(which isnt realistic) and drastic weight reduction (which also isn't realistic with the front engine setup). All other numbers based on car and driver best times, not manufacturer websites.

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You do bring up some good points. A car isnt about the weight and hp alone. I did say it would be a competitor for the gt4 and by numbers alone (power/weight). Not by handling or even by 0-60. I based this off the fact that you can pick two out of the three: power, light, or cheap. What I'm saying is I dont see the 400hp "cheap" car being to light. (Its got to be at least 3300...)

Also id argue you cant put 0-60 times the way you did it. 0-60 these days will highly depend on tranny and in some cases a launch control or active suspension controlling weight. Even if the z had a better power/weight id put my money on the fancy cars. That double clutch ATM alone will save 0.25 secs easily. (Just pulled a number out my *** just so you know).
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Drive a good electronic steering car then revisit your opinion



Everyone keeps posting numbers and commenting on similarities that would put the Z in Cayman or Cayman S range. Weight and PEAK HP isn't everything, keyword being peak that everyone seems to leave out.

Right now the Z is competitive with a base 981 Cayman 2.7L (275 crank hp), but significantly slower than a 981 Cayman S 3.4L (325 crank), even though its right in the middle in terms of weight to power

Peak HP and weight are components, but it's not going to put Nissan in a straight line competition with a GT4, let alone an S model Cayman. Not to mention figure 8 and other handling performance.

See comparison below for the hypothetical Z, assuming a straight percent change from weight ratio to 0-60 time(which isnt realistic) and drastic weight reduction (which also isn't realistic with the front engine setup). All other numbers based on car and driver best times, not manufacturer websites.

Attachment 115949
I've driven electric steering units.... THEY ALL SUCK!!! Nothing beats hydraulic except old school rack n pinion. A good electric steering is just good at giving no feedback. Feedback on the steering wheel is everything. You make better transitions with feedback. No question about that.

The Z34 benchmark was the 2008 Porsche Cayman when they came down to the final ecu stock tuning. So the Cayman of today is the predictive benchmark of the upcoming Z. When the Z came out. It was the to a Cayman on certain tracks
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