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400 hp 2900 lbs is not happening without a big bump in price for lighterweight materials. I expect a minor weight drop with a power bump.

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Old 02-15-2016, 04:11 PM   #1 (permalink)
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400 hp 2900 lbs is not happening without a big bump in price for lighterweight materials. I expect a minor weight drop with a power bump.
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400 hp 2900 lbs is not happening without a big bump in price for lighterweight materials. I expect a minor weight drop with a power bump.

The only glimmer of hope is how common cf materials have become over the years the price is coming down.

I agree 2900 isn't attainable but I could see it 3200-3400 which honestly wouldn't be bad.

Current Z with less power at ~3400lbs is still a good car and drives well. Add power and same weight still sounds like a win to me
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The only glimmer of hope is how common cf materials have become over the years the price is coming down.

I agree 2900 isn't attainable but I could see it 3200-3400 which honestly wouldn't be bad.

Current Z with less power at ~3400lbs is still a good car and drives well. Add power and same weight still sounds like a win to me
We've been saying this for a while. We'd all be realistically pretty stoked to see a 420/370 3300lb Z. Totally doable with the tooling already there too. Same pricing, maybe even a bit lower for base models. Id like to see base around $29 flat OTD.
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We've been saying this for a while. We'd all be realistically pretty stoked to see a 420/370 3300lb Z. Totally doable with the tooling already there too. Same pricing, maybe even a bit lower for base models. Id like to see base around $29 flat OTD.

If that was the outcome I would happily go get something similar to what I have now. Sport package with touring pack nav and AT. Sticker on mine was 44k and of happily pay that or a bit more for the extra power.

The potential of a factory boosted engine is so much greater than the NA currently it'll be worth it. Breathers and tune alone will unlock a good bit of power.
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Ok I guess I'll join in on the fun, no point in debating in a car we all want to happen. I guess we can all just hope together in here until 2019/2020 haha.

Seriously though just give me a new Z that gets any sort of better gas mileage for the guys who buy the car who just want to commute to work without getting 12-15 mpg in the city with a heavy foot. The turbo 2.0 dct in the new Mercedes slc slk replacement would even be a decent.
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The only glimmer of hope is how common cf materials have become over the years the price is coming down.

I agree 2900 isn't attainable but I could see it 3200-3400 which honestly wouldn't be bad.

Current Z with less power at ~3400lbs is still a good car and drives well. Add power and same weight still sounds like a win to me
They're making stronger aluminum alloy these days, so a Z with the same makeup of aluminum as Z34, but thinner/lighter could come in a couple hundred lighter. Plus lighter interior parts.
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420/370 for 29k OTD is not going to happen. That's basically saying I want a lot more for a lot less. What's more realistic is getting somewhat more for the same $$ or a lot more $$$. For a car to be 29k OTD would mean it would need to sell for around 26k. There is no way you're getting a 420/370 new car for 26k....
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420/370 for 29k OTD is not going to happen. That's basically saying I want a lot more for a lot less. What's more realistic is getting somewhat more for the same $$ or a lot more $$$. For a car to be 29k OTD would mean it would need to sell for around 26k. There is no way you're getting a 420/370 new car for 26k....
Well...maybe $30k TOPS? OTD. Base mustang with what, like 315hp can be had for $22K? They NEED to keep the price down. Imperative cuz this whole Z thing is going like the 300...again. They have the turbo engine already. All the stuff is there. $30K...OTD with 400hp/350tq base price? Better? Hmmm?
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The 400/350 version (it won't be higher than that because then it'll be higher than the more expensive q60) Will be at minimum mid-high 30s and that's being hopeful and assuming they let you get that engine without automatically adding certain other packages to get the cost up. This would put it a few grand more than the mustang Gt which I thik is the best case scenario. Unless they really get a lot out of other models sharing Z chassis and components, I can't seem them getting the price any closer to the gt than that. The Mustang is a high volume car and the Z is not and will never sell as many. It needs to be close to Mustang power, but with the allure of sexy 2 seater styling and a more engaging driving experience along with not being as common to make up the price difference. It will also be lighter.
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I think if it can have power close to the Mustang GT, weigh 300-400 lbs lighter, look sexy and be like 3k more than the stang, it will be fine.
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I think if it can have power close to the Mustang GT, weigh 300-400 lbs lighter, look sexy and be like 3k more than the stang, it will be fine.
See, then it all depends on what comes as standard for say $35K (for me). Leather, NAV, Hands Free everything, to start. Leather will never happen, neither will NAV. So, youre saying, realistically mid 40's for the goodies I want because the packages will bring it up in price level, like every other damn car. If thats the case I may take another chance on the revamped Genesis brand post '17-'18. Just like now Ill get 95% performance of a Z, 200% tech and pseudo lux for many, many thousands less. This is exactly what got me OUT of a 370 into a Genesis. Damnit Nissan!!!
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You say shave 500 lbs like it's easy...
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Of course it is: add lightness.
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You said the Z is a niche car, why would they make another car Z car to have the same niche mediocre sales?
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You said the Z is a niche car, why would they make another car Z car to have the same niche mediocre sales?
if this is their reasoning then the 370 wouldnt exist either............nor the 350.

actually i know for a fact the 350 was dead. it was saved by enthusiasts.

just stop with the stupidity here.

none of us actually know for sure if there will be or wont be another Z.

however ,i hold onto hope that they make use of that new VR engine and keep the Z alive with some upgrades and new body.
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