[OFFICIAL] Discussion for the next new Nissan 400Z Z35?

UNKNOWN_370 · 08-01-2015, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Duc_Z09

I'm not sure which test drive disappointed me more... the cumbersome, wallowing sow that was the Camaro SS or the anemic, laughably underpowered waif that was the much-lauded Scion FRS (aka Subaru BRZ/Toyota 86).

I chose the Z over a 5.0 Mustang due to its balance of power and handling, striking aesthetics, and general grin factor. Full knowing that the 5.0 is faster in every way, mind...

If there were anything I'd change about my Z it would be to simply add power, preferably in the form of about 50ft/lbs of mid-range torque, an aspect which is severely lacking in this car (I'm used to Mustangs).

I'd have no desire to purchase a Miata competitor. A turbo VQ37 would be ideal, a return to an I-6 would be a bold and welcome statement, and a N/A v8 could once again out-compete the current muscle cars while being somewhat of a departure from what the Z was intended to be in the first place. A 4-cylinder IMO is just an insult and should never carry the iconic Z badge.

You picked the wrong SS to test drive if you're an enthusiast? The 1LE will **** on all of the above.

binary0x01 · 08-01-2015, 01:51 PM

TTV6... that's all that needs to happen.

Uxi · 08-03-2015, 10:41 AM

I love the idea of an I6. I remember Honda was originally thinking I5 for the S2000. Would be nice to see Nissan use two of those heads in a big V12 for a super car. That probably wouldn't happen with the GT-R, though.

Mustangs do not age well and are generally a dime a dozen. I like the new Camaro.

Jordo! · 08-04-2015, 09:59 AM

Unless I missed something last month, the latest semi-reliable rumor is that they have axed the idx and are now looking to downsize the Z a bit to keep it closer to the 86/Miata territory.

There has been ZERO mention of an OEM V8 option -- ZERO.

If they keep the price below 30K base, add a well sorted turbo 4 or small turbo 6, shed 300+ LBS, maintain approximate grunt while further fine tuning handling and braking, I'M still in.

I think it's still all up in the air tho' because Toyota is bringing something to the table with a BMW engine in it and Mazda is at least pondering a new rotary. Neither will be able to compete with the GT-R, so they will either be Z fighters or define their own niche as the new "not a Porsche, but close, and cheaper" category, where the Z currently stand (and may or may not remain).

I honestly don't think the Japanese or Germans are interested in taking on the "Pony-hey-now-we-can-also-turn-and-brake-just-like-real-sports-cars-sorta-cars. That's a strictly American (and maybe Australian by way of Holden/GM) thing.

kay.zee · 08-04-2015, 10:05 AM

Lol there's not even a new Z confirmed ... If they announce one I imagine a 2019 / 2020 release . We should all just shut up and stop speculating untill Nissan gets it together and stops offering overpriced nismo vehicles and gives enthusiasts a non niche car .

BC416 · 08-04-2015, 10:06 AM

No chance at a V8. The Ford dealership is thataway ------>

A lot of people seem to be against a turbo 4 but I think as an entry model with around 300+hp it would be fun. Do your basic turbo mods and you are looking at more WHP than the current 3.7 makes with bolt ons.

Jordo! · 08-04-2015, 10:13 AM

Actually, if you take note of what GM and Ford have done, they've actually been struggling more to build cars like the Japanese and Germans rather than the opposite.

Muscle? No problem. Modern, reasonably fuel efficient engines bolted to reliable cars with nice fit and finish, wrapped in a body that doesn't look like a car from 60 years ago and can actually turn and brake? That's been the US car companies' big battles -- most noticeably in the latest gen Mustang and Camaro.

V8's remain rare, mainly luxury/top of the line options for every other nation who has worked primarily more on making the most out of smaller, high output engines. The rest (to varying degrees) they already had sorted out 30 years ago.

Final thought: Lets say they go with the smaller option. Imagine a < 3000 lb 325 hp/250 tq turbo 4 -- something in that ball park is do-able using the Mercedes parts bin, I believe (which is quite possibly where a turbo motor would be sourced). Even at the same relative price-point as the Z34, it would eat the 86/MX-5 for lunch, and easily match or out-handle them too (just like now...), but be much more nimble feeling than the current gen, get better mpg and have lots of room to grow.

b15 · 08-04-2015, 05:16 PM

The best thing Nissan can do is to retire the Z nameplate instead of continuing to tarnish its legacy. It's a low volume car that Nissan will always put behind the GTR. Instead of taking it down a class and introducing a half *** Z35, just retire it gratefully.

Firebase99 · 08-04-2015, 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by b15

The best thing Nissan can do is to retire the Z nameplate instead of continuing to tarnish its legacy. It's a low volume car that Nissan will always put behind the GTR. Instead of taking it down a class and introducing a half *** Z35, just retire it gratefully.

Blasphemous!! Lol. It's a heritage car!! Short of an apocalypse they'll always be a Z. I think. Though a hiatus might be coming. Like Z32 to 33.

NRTim · 08-04-2015, 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by b15

The best thing Nissan can do is to retire the Z nameplate instead of continuing to tarnish its legacy. It's a low volume car that Nissan will always put behind the GTR. Instead of taking it down a class and introducing a half *** Z35, just retire it gratefully.

They need to retire the next gen Z, with them putting a TT V6 in it of course....

They should revive the Silvia and drop the turbo 4 banger in that imo

Nick216 · 08-04-2015, 06:24 PM

Retire it so i can have the most beautiful and fastest nismo from the factory.

Eclipz · 08-04-2015, 06:28 PM

If the next Z has a V8 I will eat my left nut

Firebase99 · 08-04-2015, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Eclipz

If the next Z has a V8 I will eat my left nut

*Replies in a creepy, evil voice petting a white cat on my lap*. "Gooood....good."

6spd · 08-04-2015, 08:19 PM

I'd rather a hiatus to sort things out than drop some half mercedes travesty on us.

SurfDog · 08-04-2015, 10:51 PM

I cant wait, but fear an angular and ugly hybrid tt 4 banger. Yuk!

The 370 is just barely curvy enough as well as sexy and distinctive with classic coupe lines, all the next Z "concepts" I've seen look like ugly angular euro supercars.

A Z is not a Z unless its got 6 cans. Please be a TTv6. Maybe even A VVEL TTv6... please.

08-01-2015, 01:51 PM	#2 (permalink)
binary0x01 Track Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Idaho Posts: 892 Drives: 2012 6-SPEED 3.7L Z Rep Power: 15	TTV6... that's all that needs to happen. __________________ Tune (by Seb@SpecialtyZ) -- Upgraded Parts List : When in doubt, use brute force; if it doesn't work, you aren't using enough.

08-04-2015, 09:59 AM	#4 (permalink)
Jordo! A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: nirvana Posts: 6,394 Drives: 2023 NATM Rep Power: 419	Unless I missed something last month, the latest semi-reliable rumor is that they have axed the idx and are now looking to downsize the Z a bit to keep it closer to the 86/Miata territory. There has been ZERO mention of an OEM V8 option -- ZERO. If they keep the price below 30K base, add a well sorted turbo 4 or small turbo 6, shed 300+ LBS, maintain approximate grunt while further fine tuning handling and braking, I'M still in. I think it's still all up in the air tho' because Toyota is bringing something to the table with a BMW engine in it and Mazda is at least pondering a new rotary. Neither will be able to compete with the GT-R, so they will either be Z fighters or define their own niche as the new "not a Porsche, but close, and cheaper" category, where the Z currently stand (and may or may not remain). I honestly don't think the Japanese or Germans are interested in taking on the "Pony-hey-now-we-can-also-turn-and-brake-just-like-real-sports-cars-sorta-cars. That's a strictly American (and maybe Australian by way of Holden/GM) thing. __________________ Enjoy it. Destroy it.

08-04-2015, 10:06 AM	#6 (permalink)
BC416 Track Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: NJ Age: 38 Posts: 718 Drives: 2012 KAD 6MT Rep Power: 593	No chance at a V8. The Ford dealership is thataway ------> A lot of people seem to be against a turbo 4 but I think as an entry model with around 300+hp it would be fun. Do your basic turbo mods and you are looking at more WHP than the current 3.7 makes with bolt ons. __________________ F.I. / K&N / 180 / Forgestar

08-04-2015, 10:13 AM	#7 (permalink)
Jordo! A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: nirvana Posts: 6,394 Drives: 2023 NATM Rep Power: 419	Actually, if you take note of what GM and Ford have done, they've actually been struggling more to build cars like the Japanese and Germans rather than the opposite. Muscle? No problem. Modern, reasonably fuel efficient engines bolted to reliable cars with nice fit and finish, wrapped in a body that doesn't look like a car from 60 years ago and can actually turn and brake? That's been the US car companies' big battles -- most noticeably in the latest gen Mustang and Camaro. V8's remain rare, mainly luxury/top of the line options for every other nation who has worked primarily more on making the most out of smaller, high output engines. The rest (to varying degrees) they already had sorted out 30 years ago. Final thought: Lets say they go with the smaller option. Imagine a < 3000 lb 325 hp/250 tq turbo 4 -- something in that ball park is do-able using the Mercedes parts bin, I believe (which is quite possibly where a turbo motor would be sourced). Even at the same relative price-point as the Z34, it would eat the 86/MX-5 for lunch, and easily match or out-handle them too (just like now...), but be much more nimble feeling than the current gen, get better mpg and have lots of room to grow. __________________ Enjoy it. Destroy it. Last edited by Jordo!; 08-04-2015 at 10:23 AM.

08-04-2015, 06:24 PM	#11 (permalink)
Nick216 Base Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Long Island Posts: 48 Drives: 15' Nismo 6mt Rep Power: 11	Retire it so i can have the most beautiful and fastest nismo from the factory. __________________ 2015 Pearl White 370z Nismo 6mt Stillen G3 Intakes~Airlift 3H~CS Lipkit~Amuse CF Wing

08-03-2015, 10:41 AM	#3 (permalink)
Uxi Enthusiast Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Southern California Posts: 303 Drives: 16 NISMO Tech PW 6MT Rep Power: 3599	I love the idea of an I6. I remember Honda was originally thinking I5 for the S2000. Would be nice to see Nissan use two of those heads in a big V12 for a super car. That probably wouldn't happen with the GT-R, though. Mustangs do not age well and are generally a dime a dozen. I like the new Camaro.

08-04-2015, 10:05 AM	#5 (permalink)
kay.zee Banned Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Walnut Creek,Ca Posts: 67 Drives: not a nissan Rep Power: 0	Lol there's not even a new Z confirmed ... If they announce one I imagine a 2019 / 2020 release . We should all just shut up and stop speculating untill Nissan gets it together and stops offering overpriced nismo vehicles and gives enthusiasts a non niche car .

08-04-2015, 05:16 PM	#8 (permalink)
b15 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Chicago Posts: 3,229 Drives: 4drz Rep Power: 36572	The best thing Nissan can do is to retire the Z nameplate instead of continuing to tarnish its legacy. It's a low volume car that Nissan will always put behind the GTR. Instead of taking it down a class and introducing a half *** Z35, just retire it gratefully.

08-04-2015, 06:28 PM	#12 (permalink)
Eclipz Enthusiast Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Tampa Posts: 360 Drives: 06 Eclipse GS Rep Power: 12	If the next Z has a V8 I will eat my left nut

08-04-2015, 08:19 PM	#14 (permalink)
6spd A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: South Florida Posts: 3,001 Drives: Q50RS Rep Power: 25	I'd rather a hiatus to sort things out than drop some half mercedes travesty on us. __________________ -Jay- jonathanjamesphotographer.com

08-04-2015, 10:51 PM	#15 (permalink)
SurfDog A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2012 Location: Colorado (9000 feet) Age: 57 Posts: 1,796 Drives: 09 6mt, 13 Sequoia, Rep Power: 15750	I cant wait, but fear an angular and ugly hybrid tt 4 banger. Yuk! The 370 is just barely curvy enough as well as sexy and distinctive with classic coupe lines, all the next Z "concepts" I've seen look like ugly angular euro supercars. A Z is not a Z unless its got 6 cans. Please be a TTv6. Maybe even A VVEL TTv6... please. __________________ 09 6spd Berk CBE, JWT cams, ZSpeed CSC, Stillen (25 row oil, brake cooling, sways, gen3 CAI), Passport (9500ci), Quaife LSD, Z1 400 hp kit, ss lines, pads, rotors, clutch etc, Phunk's pan and fuel starve fix

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