[OFFICIAL] Discussion for the next new Nissan 400Z Z35?

triso07 · 09-11-2015, 01:58 PM

As far as having three engine levels for the Z. Let me first say that I don't prefer that from a customer perspective. I think it dilutes the Z as you'll have a shitload of people buying the cheap 4 version and end up seeing them all over the road like you do mustangs. If it was needed to keep the Z a sports car then it is what it is and I'm really not sure why you think it wouldn't work from a "business" perspective? Why couldn't these engines be shared across their vehicle lineup exactly? A 4 banger, NA v6, and turbo v6 are not exactly exotic. These aren't v10s here.

6spd · 09-11-2015, 03:43 PM

Might very well be a GLA/Q30 based Nissan variant. Depending on it's abilities/looks, I might very well be interested. I peruse through this inundated wasteland of a thread and feel like the only person mildly interested in it, Z or not.

GZ3 · 09-11-2015, 06:37 PM

Well the good things about facts is there is no rooms for specualtion. The mustang does in fact handle better, and get better times than the Z. Anywhere.... Any arena you want. Also the Z is not "fast" by any stretch of the imagination! And you can find a used 1le or 5.0 for cheaper than that of a used Z. Your fooling your self if you think its still a competitor. I love nissan and love the Z. Its my first automitve love, and it hurts for it to be getting left so far behind in a segment it once almost dominated. Thats the frustration... Ive owned Z cars for almost 20 years and this is the first time it has gotten so out classed and nissan not seem to care. Hopefully they will. Hopefully... They will have my buisness if they do, even though im inlove with Z cars, many of us will move on

Davey · 09-11-2015, 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GZ3

Well the good things about facts is there is no rooms for specualtion. The mustang does in fact handle better, and get better times than the Z. Anywhere.... Any arena you want. Also the Z is not "fast" by any stretch of the imagination! And you can find a used 1le or 5.0 for cheaper than that of a used Z. Your fooling your self if you think its still a competitor. I love nissan and love the Z. Its my first automitve love, and it hurts for it to be getting left so far behind in a segment it once almost dominated. Thats the frustration... Ive owned Z cars for almost 20 years and this is the first time it has gotten so out classed and nissan not seem to care. Hopefully they will. Hopefully... They will have my buisness if they do, even though im inlove with Z cars, many of us will move on

Davey · 09-11-2015, 06:56 PM

Some people don't "get" the Z.

Why these people keep buying the Z instead of a Hellcat is beyond me.

GZ3 · 09-11-2015, 07:04 PM

I built a 280z with my dad, 350z turbo with my brother and i have owned close to 15 Z's... Its a family thing... I love em. Im legit sad about whats happening or going to happen to the Z

Davey · 09-11-2015, 07:08 PM

If it's that crossover piece of ****, I'm right there with you. But if it won't out-drag-race a Mustang, I really could not give a crap.

GZ3 · 09-11-2015, 07:14 PM

I agree too. I dont need* it to out drag the mustang. A simple refresh and a GOOD Power bump would suffice. I can only dream of a turbo 6. 400hp would be just enough behind a GTR and well enough to stay afloat in the competition

Davey · 09-11-2015, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by GZ3

I agree too. I dont need* it to out drag the mustang. A simple refresh and a GOOD Power bump would suffice. I can only dream of a turbo 6. 400hp would be just enough behind a GTR and well enough to stay afloat in the competition

As long as it keeps the tight, quick feel of the steering, I'm all over that. Cars like the Mustang with 16:1 steering racks just don't have the crisp turn-in like you get from a BRZ, RX-8, Miata, S2000... But those cars don't have the brute force of something like the Z, and especially not the Mustang and Camaro.

The Mustang will go round a racetrack really fast, sure. But driving one, they are heavy, and you can feel it. The steering wheel feels like it belongs on a pirate ship, and as if it's barely even connected to the front wheels on the S197. There is ample dive and squat in the suspension, little feedback from the steering, etc. - though the S550 is greatly improved over the S197 in all of those respects, it's still not as "good" as the Z in those ways.

That is what people are getting at, or at least, that's what I'm getting at... Balance between the actual performance, and the enjoyment of driving it.

If I'm getting paid to win money on a racetrack, I suppose I'm going to drive the fastest damn thing I can afford to drive and I don't care what it feels like, it could be a nightmarish handful that keeps me at my wits' end the entire time, if it's faster, it's faster. But when I drive on the street I'm driving for my own enjoyment and I do not care about 0-60 times or lap times so much as if the car has enough power to "feel fun" to me - and also part of that "feeling fun" is the steering response, flat cornering, predictable braking, etc. That stuff is all way more important to me than the actual lap times turned in on a racetrack by a professional driver who isn't even me, and may not be enjoying it at all.

Now, on the other hand... There's the Miata/BRZ... It's just too slow to be fun IMO. The Z is not too slow to be fun. As I said before, low to mid 13's at over 100 mph in the quarter mile and a top speed (electronically limited) of 155 is slow? Come on, dude.

It could be faster, but it's fast enough to be fun.

b15 · 09-12-2015, 07:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Davey

As long as it keeps the tight, quick feel of the steering, I'm all over that. Cars like the Mustang with 16:1 steering racks just don't have the crisp turn-in like you get from a BRZ, RX-8, Miata, S2000... But those cars don't have the brute force of something like the Z, and especially not the Mustang and Camaro.

The Mustang will go round a racetrack really fast, sure. But driving one, they are heavy, and you can feel it. The steering wheel feels like it belongs on a pirate ship, and as if it's barely even connected to the front wheels on the S197. There is ample dive and squat in the suspension, little feedback from the steering, etc. - though the S550 is greatly improved over the S197 in all of those respects, it's still not as "good" as the Z in those ways.

That is what people are getting at, or at least, that's what I'm getting at... Balance between the actual performance, and the enjoyment of driving it.

If I'm getting paid to win money on a racetrack, I suppose I'm going to drive the fastest damn thing I can afford to drive and I don't care what it feels like, it could be a nightmarish handful that keeps me at my wits' end the entire time, if it's faster, it's faster. But when I drive on the street I'm driving for my own enjoyment and I do not care about 0-60 times or lap times so much as if the car has enough power to "feel fun" to me - and also part of that "feeling fun" is the steering response, flat cornering, predictable braking, etc. That stuff is all way more important to me than the actual lap times turned in on a racetrack by a professional driver who isn't even me, and may not be enjoying it at all.

Now, on the other hand... There's the Miata/BRZ... It's just too slow to be fun IMO. The Z is not too slow to be fun. As I said before, low to mid 13's at over 100 mph in the quarter mile and a top speed (electronically limited) of 155 is slow? Come on, dude.

It could be faster, but it's fast enough to be fun.

ped · 02-04-2016, 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Davey

As long as it keeps the tight, quick feel of the steering, I'm all over that. Cars like the Mustang with 16:1 steering racks just don't have the crisp turn-in like you get from a BRZ, RX-8, Miata, S2000... But those cars don't have the brute force of something like the Z, and especially not the Mustang and Camaro.

The Mustang will go round a racetrack really fast, sure. But driving one, they are heavy, and you can feel it. The steering wheel feels like it belongs on a pirate ship, and as if it's barely even connected to the front wheels on the S197. There is ample dive and squat in the suspension, little feedback from the steering, etc. - though the S550 is greatly improved over the S197 in all of those respects, it's still not as "good" as the Z in those ways.

That is what people are getting at, or at least, that's what I'm getting at... Balance between the actual performance, and the enjoyment of driving it.

If I'm getting paid to win money on a racetrack, I suppose I'm going to drive the fastest damn thing I can afford to drive and I don't care what it feels like, it could be a nightmarish handful that keeps me at my wits' end the entire time, if it's faster, it's faster. But when I drive on the street I'm driving for my own enjoyment and I do not care about 0-60 times or lap times so much as if the car has enough power to "feel fun" to me - and also part of that "feeling fun" is the steering response, flat cornering, predictable braking, etc. That stuff is all way more important to me than the actual lap times turned in on a racetrack by a professional driver who isn't even me, and may not be enjoying it at all.

Now, on the other hand... There's the Miata/BRZ... It's just too slow to be fun IMO. The Z is not too slow to be fun. As I said before, low to mid 13's at over 100 mph in the quarter mile and a top speed (electronically limited) of 155 is slow? Come on, dude.

It could be faster, but it's fast enough to be fun.

Nice post! Addding a CAI, catback and tune and you're at 13 flat or high 12s. And still have the other benefits of lighter weight and better handling. Plus it sounds awesome at that point too, which is a bonus.

Davey · 09-11-2015, 07:49 PM

BTW I have driven S197 GT, S197 GT + Ford Racing handling package, S550 with PP, S2000, BRZ, NISMO Z among others, I am not making crap up or "magazine racing" - I loved things about all of those cars but if I had to pick one car that I would drive "just to drive" - it's the NISMO.

And I will be SO pissed if it's replaced by a crappy little turbo 4 crossover.

tvfreakazoid · 09-12-2015, 12:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Davey

BTW I have driven S197 GT, S197 GT + Ford Racing handling package, S550 with PP, S2000, BRZ, NISMO Z among others, I am not making crap up or "magazine racing" - I loved things about all of those cars but if I had to pick one car that I would drive "just to drive" - it's the NISMO.

And I will be SO pissed if it's replaced by a crappy little turbo 4 crossover.

How about the new camero

2 by 2...hands of blue

Davey · 09-12-2015, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by tvfreakazoid

How about the new camero

2 by 2...hands of blue

I have never driven a Camaro, for various reasons... So I don't have much to say about them other than I don't think I'd buy one, for the same "various reasons."

Eclipz · 09-12-2015, 11:11 AM

Come on guys... you all know that we really want the next Z to be made completley of carbon fiber, weigh 2800 lbs, have a twin turbo V12 making over 1000 hp and cost only 25k

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09-11-2015, 03:43 PM	#2 (permalink)
6spd A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: South Florida Posts: 3,001 Drives: Q50RS Rep Power: 26	Might very well be a GLA/Q30 based Nissan variant. Depending on it's abilities/looks, I might very well be interested. I peruse through this inundated wasteland of a thread and feel like the only person mildly interested in it, Z or not. __________________ -Jay- jonathanjamesphotographer.com

09-11-2015, 06:37 PM	#3 (permalink)
GZ3 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: SATX Posts: 3,296 Drives: Z Rep Power: 22	Well the good things about facts is there is no rooms for specualtion. The mustang does in fact handle better, and get better times than the Z. Anywhere.... Any arena you want. Also the Z is not "fast" by any stretch of the imagination! And you can find a used 1le or 5.0 for cheaper than that of a used Z. Your fooling your self if you think its still a competitor. I love nissan and love the Z. Its my first automitve love, and it hurts for it to be getting left so far behind in a segment it once almost dominated. Thats the frustration... Ive owned Z cars for almost 20 years and this is the first time it has gotten so out classed and nissan not seem to care. Hopefully they will. Hopefully... They will have my buisness if they do, even though im inlove with Z cars, many of us will move on __________________ 09 GT-R 12' 370Z 7AT HANDED DOWN 12'+13' 5.0 SOLD

09-11-2015, 07:04 PM	#6 (permalink)
GZ3 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: SATX Posts: 3,296 Drives: Z Rep Power: 22	I built a 280z with my dad, 350z turbo with my brother and i have owned close to 15 Z's... Its a family thing... I love em. Im legit sad about whats happening or going to happen to the Z __________________ 09 GT-R 12' 370Z 7AT HANDED DOWN 12'+13' 5.0 SOLD

09-11-2015, 07:14 PM	#8 (permalink)
GZ3 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: SATX Posts: 3,296 Drives: Z Rep Power: 22	I agree too. I dont need* it to out drag the mustang. A simple refresh and a GOOD Power bump would suffice. I can only dream of a turbo 6. 400hp would be just enough behind a GTR and well enough to stay afloat in the competition __________________ 09 GT-R 12' 370Z 7AT HANDED DOWN 12'+13' 5.0 SOLD

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09-11-2015, 01:58 PM	#1 (permalink)
triso07 Base Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: New York Posts: 174 Drives: xxxxxxx Rep Power: 15	As far as having three engine levels for the Z. Let me first say that I don't prefer that from a customer perspective. I think it dilutes the Z as you'll have a shitload of people buying the cheap 4 version and end up seeing them all over the road like you do mustangs. If it was needed to keep the Z a sports car then it is what it is and I'm really not sure why you think it wouldn't work from a "business" perspective? Why couldn't these engines be shared across their vehicle lineup exactly? A 4 banger, NA v6, and turbo v6 are not exactly exotic. These aren't v10s here.

09-11-2015, 06:56 PM	#5 (permalink)
Davey A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Indiana Posts: 3,766 Drives: '15 NISMO 6MT Rep Power: 117172	Some people don't "get" the Z. Why these people keep buying the Z instead of a Hellcat is beyond me.

09-11-2015, 07:08 PM	#7 (permalink)
Davey A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Indiana Posts: 3,766 Drives: '15 NISMO 6MT Rep Power: 117172	If it's that crossover piece of ****, I'm right there with you. But if it won't out-drag-race a Mustang, I really could not give a crap.

09-11-2015, 07:49 PM	#12 (permalink)
Davey A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Indiana Posts: 3,766 Drives: '15 NISMO 6MT Rep Power: 117172	BTW I have driven S197 GT, S197 GT + Ford Racing handling package, S550 with PP, S2000, BRZ, NISMO Z among others, I am not making crap up or "magazine racing" - I loved things about all of those cars but if I had to pick one car that I would drive "just to drive" - it's the NISMO. And I will be SO pissed if it's replaced by a crappy little turbo 4 crossover.

09-12-2015, 11:11 AM	#15 (permalink)
Eclipz Enthusiast Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Tampa Posts: 360 Drives: 06 Eclipse GS Rep Power: 12	Come on guys... you all know that we really want the next Z to be made completley of carbon fiber, weigh 2800 lbs, have a twin turbo V12 making over 1000 hp and cost only 25k Sent from my SGH-T999L using Tapatalk