That is a very stupid reason not to buy a GT-R. There is a lot more to a car then 0-60 times. Oh, and the newer cars don't have any launch control issues.

Oh didn't know that

See?

Now go buy a GT-R. :tup:

lol yup yup right away! (Seriously).:tup:

My saying is Mustang "Welcome to the world of the Common Sports Car."

I love how everyone is only talking about price.

The whole fairy tale of the next gen Z being a twin turbo V6 hybrid while being smaller and lighter than the Z34 didn't raise a single eyebrow for ridiculousness.

The next gen Z could make 78 mpg city. It could also debut a new engine technology which will allow the car to emit cancer-curing gases from its NISMO exhaust. It's gonna cost you suckers $60k though. "ZOMG DUDE. Would SO rather buy a used GT-R, a Civic, and a measles vaccine for $65k."

I think they should put a twin turbo V6 hybrid AND a turbo 4-cylinder in it.

Not everybody wants a straight line muscle car. Some people want a more balanced approach such as handling, braking, etc. I'm not saying the Mustang can't do these, but it seems that it puts more of its eggs in the acceleration basket.

I'm personally not into Mustangs or Camaros. I like the "sloped" hoodline that traditional sports cars have e.g. Z, Vette, Porsche 911 to some degree, Viper, etc....But I don't like the GT-R because of its lack of this sloped hoodline....hence its a muscle car in a sense....to my sense at least.

$60K, again, is not a lot of money for a BRAND NEW hipo car with an all around package; Mustang 5.0s at $32K are not all-around-packages.

Just my 2 cents....

FINALLY. Someone with some sense.

I'm guessing they'll try to be a little more environmentally conscious.

Maybe something like this?



Don't think I would pay $60K for it though :icon17:

In all seriousness I wish they'd just put the VK56VD in the Z and be like "What gas mileage?"

:iagree:

What are the odds nissan would make the new Z outperform the R35?

Steve Jobs said something like, "if the iPhone cannibalizes other Apple products like the iPod or Mac...then let it be....You must constantly reinvent yourself if you are evolve and stay ahead of the game."

sounds like frs/brz owners' excuses they use when they are compared to the Z or any other faster cars in a straight line :stirthepot:

key words highlighted right there for ya :stirthepot:

pretty much. but in the case of 5.0 vs Z, the 5.0 is objectively faster in pretty much every category

I've driven the new Mustang plenty of times. The 5.0 and the ecoboost. While they may look great on paper, the driving experience is not the same as the Z. Its big and you feel it. Yes it can finally handle and is MUCH better than the last gen, but in my opinion, it does not feel as graceful around a turn as a Z, again because you can really feel the weight.

Other than price i don't know why people always feel compelled to compare the Z to the Mustang. They're different cars with different markets. I guess the beauty of the Z is it really has no direct competitor. No its not the fastest, no its not the best handler, but when looking at it as a package, It does everything well but nothing great. Most other cars in its price range excel in one area and really lack at others. That is ultimately what drove me to buy a Z.

@ 60k I'd look at it.

No way I'd fork over that much for the Z. 60K that's starting vette level or m4, even some other euro sports car with more power... Nissan would have to be smoking a good amount of herb to price it that much.

all speculation of course though

And it's true.

Which I already stated in my post.

I'm sending your pot back to the kitchen. It's not quite ready to stir yet.

I dont think so. If its all around a step up from a Z34, why not ask it? The GTR is only going to go upmarket leaving a nice gap for the Z.

The same can be said about the base vette. Why spend 60k on a Chevy, thats Porsche/Bmw money and much nicer cars (except power) all around in my opinion.

yea but why spend that much money on a bmw when all it's going to do is break down and throw more lights up on your dashboard then a decorated house on christmas.

i'd much rather buy the vette

I agree, those BMW(s) are a pain with dash lights, CEL, and when they break down, boy is a pain to fix them up! (Patience wise and moneywise)

The Z32 TT was a $60K car in 1990 dollars. It jumped 2 steps (in terms of price, image, performance) above the Z31. I think the Z32 TT merited the price jump. It was a competitor to the C4 Vette back then. The Z32, Vette, and even the M3 for that generation were all nearly the same price.

The Z33 was a regression because the tail end of the Z32's run showed dwindling sales numbers (the Japanese yen was too strong relative to the dollar; sports cars were out of favor; SUVs were the rage in the mid to late 90s).

The Z34 is an even bigger regression in regards to price. It isn't much more costly than a Z33. The Z34 is a $23,000 car in 2009 dollars when going backwards to 1990. This is what Mustangs and Camaro V8s cost brand new in the early 90s.

Now the Z35 wants to go upmarket a la the Z32. I believe the Z35 will share lots of things the Infiniti Q70 (the coupe). The 2.0 turbo and 3.0 Mercedes V6 turbo are what's going to be offered I think. It'll be a tunable car that can do 500+ hp without aftermarket turbo kits. I think people will be pleased with it...and hence it merits a $60K price.

The TT Z32 was running 911 Turbos back in the day!! Like you said, in '90's prices the car was $60K.....and it died because EXACTLY that reason. Nissan would be blind to their own history to that again. The overwhelming majority of prospective Z buyers will NOT spend 60 large on a "Nissan" (Yes, yes, GTR-way different market and the R's have had a long pedigree of being Supercars). I think itll share alot with the Q's and for that reason theyll be able to keep the cost down and still get 400+HP. Starting at $33k to a maxed platform at maybe $51K.

To each his own! I wouldn't. But I'm not a fan of american sports cars.

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Yes sir, well said. Is not the fastest nor the best in any specific area but is a well put package and for 30some up to low 40's I think is a good price. And you are correct, there is no much of a competition when you compare a two seater rwd 6 cylinder that is not in the "exotic" or the expensive class (anything over $75K). The Z is not about high HP and that other non-sense stuff but is about a spirit and the true essence of a sports car. Is a car that drives and feels as it was intended.

Yes sir, well said. Is not the fastest nor the best in any specific area but is a well put package and for 30some up to low 40's I think is a good price. And you are correct, there is no much of a competition when you compare a two seater rwd 6 cylinder that is not in the "exotic" or the expensive class (anything over $75K). The Z is not about high HP and that other non-sense stuff but is about a spirit and the true essence of a sports car. Is a car that drives and feels as it was intended.[/QUOTE]

Kinda disagree with all due respect. When I bought my Z in '13 I cross shopped the Mustang. I bet the majority of us did. Yes, yes the 5.0 is faster in all aspects, etc. I'll be sounding like an 86 buyers excuse though, what made me buy the 370 was A) I had a 260, 280, 300, 350, 370. And B) that truly INTIMITE relationship with a true 2 seat sports coupe. No matter how fast the Stang is it could NEVER offer that feeling to me. It's not all about HP with these cars, obviously. Otherwise we would all be in a 5.0. It's the same price point but a very different driving experience.

Edit: C'mon driving a small 2 seat Z car, its like piloting a fighter jet. Its the one thing I miss from my 370 as opposed to me 3.8 Genny. Its still way smaller and a better drivers car than the Mustang but not quite the relationship of the 370. But I gave that up for a more GT, softer ride, with the the tech and leather with more power. No, not quite as fast as a 370, but VERY close for less money. Lets see what the Z35 offers and I might find myself in one. Yet again.

Comparison is due to the same price range I believe and whether you have kids or not. Mustangs and F150's are a dime a dozen and really don't appeal to me because of it. You can still give the 5.0 hell if you are a better driver so horsepower isn't Everything.

Totally agree. I've embarrassed many 5.0's at the track in Sebring with my 370. That being said many have embarrassed me. Equal everything the 5.0 is faster. Though not by as much as most opinions think. IMO. LOL.

Well said. +1!!!

at 60k nissan can keep it

Kinda disagree with all due respect. When I bought my Z in '13 I cross shopped the Mustang. I bet the majority of us did. Yes, yes the 5.0 is faster in all aspects, etc. I'll be sounding like an 86 buyers excuse though, what made me buy the 370 was A) I had a 260, 280, 300, 350, 370. And B) that truly INTIMITE relationship with a true 2 seat sports coupe. No matter how fast the Stang is it could NEVER offer that feeling to me. It's not all about HP with these cars, obviously. Otherwise we would all be in a 5.0. It's the same price point but a very different driving experience.

Edit: C'mon driving a small 2 seat Z car, its like piloting a fighter jet. Its the one thing I miss from my 370 as opposed to me 3.8 Genny. Its still way smaller and a better drivers car than the Mustang but not quite the relationship of the 370. But I gave that up for a more GT, softer ride, with the the tech and leather with more power. No, not quite as fast as a 370, but VERY close for less money. Lets see what the Z35 offers and I might find myself in one. Yet again.[/QUOTE]

Unlike the 86, the Z is NOT dealbreaker slow. It's the fastest NA V6 on the market or at least it was until 2013? (If another nab6 hasnt come along?)

Unlike the 86, the Z is NOT dealbreaker slow. It's the fastest NA V6 on the market or at least it was until 2013? (If another nab6 hasnt come along?)[/QUOTE]

You mean short of Porsche's and other "exotics" I assume? Then again...NA 6 Cylinder....? Ehhhhhh?

In all reality though, I am really curious how Nissan is going to change the interior. of the Z35 I wish they keep the 3 pod center console gauges. Love those! (plus they are like a Z signature). I would also want to see a better navigation console with more voice features.

What would you like to see in terms of Interior changes? (Sorry to deviate from the "Z35 Price Topic")

Better side visibility. Part of the reason I was in a drag race at every stop light with that car, just to be out in front to KNOW exactly what was around me.

I imagine the gauges and speed/tach/info pods are going to become ultra high res mini computer screens in the traditional Z shape with configurable gauges

NA V6... not NA flat 6 :)

Yeah the BRZ/FR-S and Miata do provide some cornering thrills and good feel (and in the case of the Miata, wind in your hair) but along with it comes the complete lack of anything you'd call quick acceleration compared to... A V6 Camry or minivan, certainly not the Z.

The 370Z puts down a respectable 0-100 time and runs the quarter mile in a respectable 13-something seconds, while offering a great sports car driving experience. Not the greatest sports car driving experience, but a great one nonetheless.

If people want to give up even more of that experience to mash the gas to a sub-13-second quarter mile that's their choice but the point is, they're all choices, there is no right or wrong, except for the individual.

I don't like how the last gen Mustang drives but I do hold out hope for the new one (have not tried it yet) although I'm not encouraged by the reviews so far.

one thing i will probably never get is why people bash other cars. i appreciate all cars, whether it's a civic or a mustang. they are all special in their own ways. people take time and their hard earned money to modify them. given that sometimes they come out hideous, but still it's their style.