Originally Posted by Zala (Post 3588046)

While I agree with you on a lot of points and the overall theme of your opinion, I disagree that it is today's poor man's sports car. Assuming with thinking about 2 seat coupes and not 2+2 (disqualifies BRZ/FRS), that pretty much puts the latest (ND) and last generation (NC) miata as the crown holder. Say what you want about it, but it's the most affordable sports car you can buy new in dedicated soft top or a hardtop/hybrid couple both countering regular and convertible Z.



You allude to it as well, but the Z is pretty pricey for the target market it is trying to appeal to, which is the affordable sports car buyer. Parts (maintenance and aftermarket), insurance, and fuel consumption do not favor it against other cars said buyer could choose instead.



Personally, I think 1-2 year old prices of these Zs are truly where the price market should have been new. I've purchased a new Z in the past (2010 sport+touring) and a 1 year old used Nismo (2016 tech). It's no surprise that I got way more car for nearly the same cash.



That's probably what hurts the Z the most. A lot of people in this segment have to make a choice rather than have multiple vehicles and lots of other choices have far more practicality, affordability, and/or power for around the same cash spent.



Keep in mind, I love my Z and I'm glad I was able to pick one up before they change from the traditional NA 6 cylinder coupe I find makes it different than my other cars (turbo hatch and a boosted miata coupe), therefore worth having to me.



Again, I agree with you on a lot of points, especially about cars having more than enough power for the street. I personally find any car below a 13Lbs/1HP ratio to be plenty fun for the street. My cars range from 7.9 to 12.8 at this point, so I have a good idea about what's probably too much to fully use around town.



I personally hope the Z evolves and continues to stay relatively attainable and a fun to drive. I find it hard to justify shelling out more than $50k for a loaded car, but I'm obviously spoiled by today's cheap speed options. :-)

Originally Posted by njobe89 (Post 3588045)

the z doesn't sell, it is what it is. my friend is a manager at nissan, before he was the manager he used to do sales. he sold cars for 5 years and in 5 years he said he sold 2 z's. nissan made the mistake of not updating the car and leaving it the same year in and year out.

Originally Posted by njobe89 (Post 3588045)

the z doesn't sell, it is what it is. my friend is a manager at nissan, before he was the manager he used to do sales. he sold cars for 5 years and in 5 years he said he sold 2 z's. nissan made the mistake of not updating the car and leaving it the same year in and year out.

Originally Posted by NISMO IX (Post 3597363)

The dealer that sold me my car only sells around 1 Z per year. The lot is full of Jukes, Rouges, Muranos, Versas, Sentras, Altimas, And Frontiers.

Maybe 1-5 of the following, Titan, Titan XD, 370Z, Maxima, GT-R, Pathfinder, and Armada.

My 2014 Z actually sat on the lot for a year and a half before I bought it.

Originally Posted by NISMO IX (Post 3597509)

I said dealer as in dealership, and my numbers are not way off for around here anyway. You are also in Canada.

Originally Posted by RicerX (Post 3598418)

You're also basically in Canada :p

Originally Posted by Magic Bus (Post 3598122)

For the 2016 year 5,913 Z's sold in US and 932 for Canada. Prior year 7,391 & 688 respectively. Definitely not a big seller.

Originally Posted by Nithmo (Post 3599223)

Those aren't bad numbers for a fairly expensive and a completely limited (in terms of use) car. The Z is a fun car and little more than that. You can't carry anything in it, it's not practical for really anything, and as we all know, it's even a bit lacking in terms of the fun department, when it comes to the competition. On top of that, it's a 6 or 7 year model.

Honda/Acura would kill to move 7-8000 units of some of their cars, no joke.

Granted, the 350z sold much better, but part of that is due to the Z hiatus after the 300zx. People were excited for the car when it returned.

Originally Posted by s2krazyyy (Post 3599741)

I really wouldnt mind if the Z went on a hiatus similar to the 300ZX. That would give Nissan a few years to work on a platform that is its own and doesnt share anything with other platforms besides maybe an engine. The 370z is already a great car if you look at it on its own and ignore the competition. Does the new muscle cars have more power and seem more appealing than a 370z? Yes but honestly those cars are still very heavy compared to the Z and IMO you cant substitute the lighter feeling by adding power. The Z is a STEAL on the used market(you can find pretty low mileage Z's for under 25k but you all knew that already), what car on the used market that give the combo of power, handling, realiability and great drivability for under 25k? There really isnt much in its price point that I can think of and the cars you can find C5 Z06, S2k, Cayman and BRZ have their pros and cons. I think the 370z has the best combo of a DD, cheap to maintain, power, modability and something that is fun to drive at a bargain price. They are already a gem for what you get used, I can only imagine what it would be like if they discontinued them and didnt announce plans for a new Z(especially with the new G and its DAS
system :thumbsdown: ). The Z WILL be missed if its discontinued, you know what they say.. "you dont know what you have until its gone".