Originally Posted by RicerX (Post 3520186)

2016 Chevy Camaro SS - 455hp. 3686lbs. 6.2L V8. RWD.

Now imagine if that car shrunk in overall footprint. We removed the rear seats, used similar chassis engineering as far as lightweight materials, put in a motor less than half the size yet with a pair or turbos much like the VR30DDTT. We used smaller wheels (19" rays instead of the 20" wheels that come on the Camaro), fit smaller brakes that fit the platform and wheel setup. Remove a pair of airbags because there is no rear seat. Are we at 300lbs yet?

You can rephrase your posting now... maybe something like "guys stop talking about a bunch of nonsense like 'evolved automotive engineering' or 'making things better than they were yesterday'" or 'the R35 already hurt Porsche's feelings so let's not push it with a Z that could obliterate a Cayman for half the money'".

Oh... and this gem...



2016 Corvette Z06. 3524lbs. 650hp. Are we there yet?

There are plenty of people with modded cars... with modded 370Zs even... that could wipe the floor with a new NSX. Use the search box for a little company called "Fast Intentions".

If you're trolling... I give you a gold star. Otherwise, you need to get out more.

Originally Posted by madeinjapan (Post 3520218)

Originally Posted by wanderer1234 (Post 3520269)

Try shedding 800lbs off that Camero and how much do you think the price will go up? Lol.....

As far as the corvette...what's the price again? Is it 29,000 like the entry Z? Heck is it 41,000 like the Nismo? Uhhhh forget about the Nismo. The sport model is what 32,000? Again be realistic. We all know how hard it is to shed weight on a production car. You tearing out your stock car is yourself. On a production car not so easy.

What's realistic me is...the Z gaining 50-100 lbs but increases in power...but that kind of performance would threaten the GTR symbol. Nissan has already said....if you want performance go GTR. The Z will never have that kind of performance, it'll be good but nothing like how we want it to be.

Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 3520286)

Not saying 1 way or the other, but you are looking at this as the 370z is the starting weight/platform. Nissan may begin using a new platform or shorten it even more so, starting the next generation at a completely different point. Also, Nissan is milking the 370z since right now the investment has been made, parts deals were set in 2007/8 for ordering while now their operating cost went down with a car coming up on 10 years. This means they can start fresh with new contracts (good example Brembo to Akebono brakes from the 350z to 370z), this allows them to move up market on quality or newer technology which the 370z did not have in 07/08 when they did the initial investment.

Nissan could easily start the car sub 3k weight depending on where they want to place the next generation Z, will they, probably not but it can be done without shooting the price to the moon or Porsche territory.

Originally Posted by wanderer1234 (Post 3520299)

Which platform? Nissan doesn't have any other platform for the Z. To make a new platform Nissan will spend millions on R and D. That'll only make our wish car of 2800 lbs further from reach.

Look at the twin sisters...BRZ/FRS....they cost almost the same as the base Z with 142 hp less. The truth sucks sometimes. We all like to dream.

Making a car and developing a production platform isn't the same as your regular mod where you can just cut an old platform shorter and build on it. Lol. It takes thousands of hours and millions of dollars to make it safe and reliable so it can be mass produce.

Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 3520321)

You do now they have partnerships with others and can easily (and fairly cost effective) license another platform without spending the R&D money, and the current platform is fairly old already so I would not be surprised if Nissan has been looking at something new or developing it already. Plus the Z platform is shared already with many other cars to help reduce long terms cost, this is one reason the IDx failed to be produced was because it was a brand new platform which at the time was not going to be shared with any other of Nissan's lineup.

Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3520282)

I've been absent for awhile so I guess it's about time to step back in and voice my opinion lol

This pic makes me worried if the Z looks like this. Besides the widow/cabin top shape and squished z34 headlight it kinda looks like a new civic in a way.

I keep seeing people saying that the car can't be 3100-3300 lbs and have 400hp for 45k. I think it absolutely can. If you're comparing it to the 58k BMW m2 with similar weight and 370hp remember you're getting their dry **** in your *** based on their logo.....because bimmer right?

A sporty Nissan is a different story. Honestly the price won't matter for me it's just going to be based on looks. The weight and power will be bang on and options will hopefully finally be updated.

Originally Posted by wanderer1234 (Post 3520327)

Yes. That further proves why we ain't getting a sub 2800 lb car with 450 hp in the 45k range. Lol. To many variables. The engineers at Nissan would've done it if it was possible.

Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 3520336)

Why do you think if they could do it they would have?
Technology moves forwards, cost are reduced, and the platform sharing is actually fairly new with recent partnerships in the past decade.

You have to take the current generation with a grain of salt for the future, it is a starting place, but we do not know Nissan's ultimate plant (if even the Z will survive). They could be working on a new engine, platform, components that the 370z could not have had because of initial cost, but now such items like carbon fiber or more aluminum are much cheaper and viable helping keep overall per car cost down but allowing weight reduction.

Originally Posted by wanderer1234 (Post 3520346)

Everyone is entitled to dream and wish. Okay. 😊 Wake me up when it's real. :happydance:

Originally Posted by Firebase99 (Post 3520363)

Nissan is a HUGE company. They have the $, the machines and the manpower. Id like to see a Hybrid Z. 400+hp all in, loaded for $45K.

Originally Posted by madeinjapan (Post 3520218)