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I'm not impressed so far ... And yeah I think it will probably be over 55k ...

Oh look, a BMW Z5 Coupe!

The Z5 will be around 50K, I'm guessing the Supra will probably be at least 5 - 10 K less than the BMW. That will make it competitive with the Z.

This might be our only choice from Japan the way Nissan is going?

Toyota went from 0 sports cars to 4 real quick! 3 of them suck and one is waiting for arrival but....
At least they are trying. Nissan is becoming the Toyota of 98-12

which Toyota cars are you referring to?

The FR-S/86, and? LFA? and what else?

Not sure why you'd say any of them suck. The LFA was built to show off their skill, never to be the fastest. And it is still a damn fast car. Too many people like to bench race cars... "omg, the LFA is 0.3s slower than _____". Yeah, and even so, it's still throwing you into the seat and giving you a driving experience like nothing else.

Same with the 86... it's built for a younger crowd and it is exactly what cars from the late 80s to late 90s were about. Low power, supreme handling and a ton of fun with a ton of mod support behind them. The type of car you learn how to hit corners properly with, and hone your skills on, before moving to more power.

I'm sure the Supra replacement, whatever it's called, will be awesome also. A BMW engineered car, with Toyota reliability? Yes, please.

GT 86

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I said no matter how bad they are cuz they're bloated n slow. I don't buy the whole Prius tires make it handle gimmick on the frs. Sorry. I want a performance car!!! Not pseudo performance. Lfa is cancelled.

Agreed. The 86 will need to sell for 20K to compete with the far more stunning MX5-RF. Hell, there's even a sweet new Fiat Spider to compete with. It's done. They failed and they know it. The plans for a vert and a blown version were tanked.

The 86 will probably be resurrected as a proper tuner car/hot rod in another decade or so, but for now, its over.

The LFA is a fantastic car, but also stunning failure. It's way too much money for what you get, and so hardly anyone owns them.

What's the third one?

I think the Supra will be excellent -- a 6 cyl motor plus boost with nice lines on the body = excellent sportscar value for those who prefer Japanese style and reliability over American muscle.

I think, akin to the ancient, yet ongoing, Mustang v. Camaro battle, I anticipate a Supra v. Z war for the soul of drivers who like Japanese cars.

If I can possibly swing it, I am getting one of them by or before 2019, and can't wait to test drive both :yum:

Agreed.... the LFA was a total fail on so many levels. $375,000 for a $200,000 car. It wasnt about 0-60. If we were that type. None of us would spend the kind of money we spent to buy Z's. We'd be in mustangs. At least those of us who actually invested in Nissan and bought a brand new car.

I hope the supra is a competitive car and that a proper Z comes next generation. Nissan is fvckin around and the Japanese yen is having issues again. I can see a repeat of 1996-1998.

Total fail, y'all are ridiculous. The LFA is a work of art. It's exactly what Toyota wanted it to be.

I love when people who can't afford a super car talk **** about it.:rofl2:

Thought this thread was about the next gen Z.

Agreed. I can't believe how much ignorance is sometimes dished out on forums. Anyone that says the LFA was a failure knows absolutely nothing about the car and needs to read up on it or watch the documentary on the making of it. Toyota never meant for it to be a mass-produced supercar. It was meant to showcase what Toyota was capable of producing if money was not an issue. It was a hand-built work of art made in very limited numbers. It was an amazing achievement in every way. Nissan tried to do the same thing with the GTR but on a budget and on an assembly line. Both cars way exceeded expectations and objectives.

People mention how much it costs, but it cost half of what other cars with a full carbon monocoque cost.

Damn..... we rustled up the fanboy b1cth n3ss in some people. I know how it was built. I know what it is.

A Ferrari F12 is the same price. Cant afford a F12 yet but I can tell you right now which one is buy. I bought that $600 drive 4 superstars in a day package so I have some seat time in them and know what I like and don't like. Yeah at $375K. The LFA for me is a fail. But at least their are MK ultra fanboys in the world who succumb to corporate advertising. Otherwise corporations wouldn't make any money.

Up close and personal. I wasn't impressed with the LfA. Period. Deal with it.

You realize people can disagree with you without being fanboys, right?

By the way. When the LFA was initially announced as a concept. It was supposed to be a $150,000 GTR killer. The GTR at the time was $78,000 for the base and $85,000 for the premium.
Just like the GT-86. People were originally promised a 2700lb turbo ranging between 250 & 300hp with a base price of $22,000.

Both the LFA and FRS once production was being finalized. They didn't live up to either promise. Instead if admitting they couldn't build what they promised. They started huge advertising promos kicking automotive philosophy and Toyota going back to its roots.

The reason why the Z community was hype about the FRS was because we were told we were going to have a true Z competitor. A car that had less power. We guesstimated 280hp but was 600lbs lighter, so we could actually have a track competitor. They failed at that too.

Then they made documentaries and adds to derail the initial competitive claims. Nice save Toyota . This Supra is supposed to redeem themselves by FINALLY giving the people what they've been expecting for a looong time. Toyota spent 15 years being what Nissan is turning into.

So before you criticize our opinions. Know a Lil bit of the pre-history.

It's not that they disagree. It's the people can't afford supercars making comments crap and assuming we don't know enough about the LFA. THATS THE ISSUE.