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Originally Posted by elmz I've never owned a convertible, so I don't know how much of that statement is true. But I think it all depends on where you live
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A convertible is a 'novelty'??? You sound like you've never owned or even driven one. There is NOTHING comparable to driving a great convertible except maybe cruising on a Harley. A true convertible lover buys the ragtop to drive it with the top down even if it's not all the time. The way it looks with the top is NOT the priority!
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It's a bit surprising that Nissan did not get with the times and create a retracting hardtop versus a ragtop. You don't own a convertible (at least in these price point automobile strata) for performance as they are laden with additional structural requirements. And if you've ever owned a ragtop, their maintenance is a royal PITA. High marks for the transition of the coupe to the topless styling, but huge demerits for old school, old maintenance ragtop.
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![]() ![]() A "hard top" convertible would add 1. weight; 2. cost and 3. mechanics may be too large for the Z platform. "Convertible" tops today are not very similar (in material) to days of old (at least not what I consider "old) and take very little maintenance as compared to what us old farts had to contend with. ![]() While the Z roadster isn't a stripped down vehicle tuned only for performance, it still is a true sports car - why add extra weight just to have a retractable "hard top" convertible? I don't know what the weight penalty is but I suspect it's fairly substantial. Then the added costs...a hard top convertible would be more expensive to manufacture and more expensive for the consumer; the roadster will already carry a hefty price tag. You also have to keep in mind that the top has to fit within the current dimensions of the vehicle and while I'm not sure, I suspect a retractable hard top takes up more room than it's soft-top counterpart which may make it a "no go" for the Z. All things being equal, I'd prefer a retractable hard top as well but at least for me, I don't drive a convertible to have the top up...if the weather doesn't permit top-down driving then I don't drive my convertible. Nissan already makes a "hard top" convertible for those who prefer that configuration; the G37 Convertible - it's a pretty nice ride...no real need to duplicate that with the Z especially considering the weight/cost penalty. I'm really trying to decide right now between getting a 370Z roadster or a Nismo but leaning toward the roadster. ![]()
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As always our exchanges are at the very least interesting, and typically productive, so here I go, again. Ragtops are a built-in expendable that given the length of ownership add to the bottom line in a deferred billing way. The new BMW Z4 roadster foresaw all the issues you mentioned and BMW smartly opted for a grand tourer with creature comforts at the expensive of handling and feedback (see reviews on the new Z4). The 2009 Infiniti G convertible did not translate well into a roadster—not even remotely as well as the new 370Z convertible. The G roadster reminds me too much of the Lexus SC (and forbid that its designer go into a dissertation on how he started with a glove, and squish the bloody thing about to achieve this amorphous design like the SC's designer did—rubbish).
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Overall, I very much prefer the weight gain and cost be kept to a minimum and the handling/agility of the coupe be retained as much as possible in the roadster. There is also the issue, even could a retractable hard top be made to "fit" in the current platform, it would likely mean even more or the already limited luggage space would be lost. ![]() I admit, I may have a different opinion on the matter if I had a roadster that had to be parked outside all the time but as I don't have that problem I have no issues with a soft top.
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![]() It all comes down what chassis rigidity Nissan has been able to achieve on the new roadster as that's the name of the game in handling. If Nissan has pulled it off then I will have to agree with you; if not, then Nissan may as well have gone the comfort route.
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I think the Zed is great and one day I hope to add one to keep my MX5 electric hardtop company. I do beleive though that Nissan should have gone with a folding hardtop even if it had to increase price just a little. It could have gone for a composite roof like the MX5 and kept the weight low. Anyway from what I have seen in pics the vert still looks good top up or down.
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So you're planning to trade in your existing Z?
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According to this R&T article, the 370Z was actually designed to be a convertible from the onset:
Road & Track Magazine - New & Future Cars: 2010 Nissan 370Z Roadster (7/2009) Of particular note: The 370Z Roadster comes with a standard black cloth top that features a fabric inner liner. Shinjiro "John" Yukawa, the chief project specialist of the 370Z Roadster, opted to stay away from a folding hardtop because he wanted the open-top Z to retain its sports-car spirit.Also worth noting: But because of structural reinforcements to the chassis, not to mention the hydraulic system that operates the top, the 370Z Roadster weighs nearly 200 lb. more than the coupe. Therefore, expect the car to be a step slower to 60 mph; we're predicting a time of 5.5 sec.
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The Corvette website lists the exact same curb weight for all four versions of the convertible and apparently makes no allowance for the fact that as you "move up the line" in model; various equipment/options are added that also must be adding weight.
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Whether it's Edmunds or some other source, without knowing exactly what equipment was on each of the two different models (that generated the two weights you mention above), there is no way to tell how exactly how much weight difference the convertible top actually makes between the two vehicles. For example, if you had a loaded coupe (all the bells and whistles) compared to a stripped-down (manual top) convertible then you can't say that the only difference in weight between the two vehicles is that one is a coupe and one is a convertible. I guess what I'm saying is that I suspect the real weight difference is more than just 30 lbs but hey, I could be wrong! ![]()
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