2012 Pricing Released!!!

wilsonp · 10-09-2011, 11:52 PM

Why don't plate coolers have a thermostat?

Jordo! · 10-10-2011, 04:12 AM

I think some people just don't opt for it -- adds a good bit to the cost. Either that or the ones they are getting are too cold and not keeping it around the ideal temp when winter rolls around.

Allegedly the block off plate works well enough to help the oil warm up in the winter time... still I'm skeptical. It's just better to have a decent thermostat on it.

Also, I'd say only about half of the people who buy the oil cooler have a clear idea what the optimal range of oil temps is -- 180*F - 220*F, as noted by Import Convert, is spot on. I think a lot of folks just assume "cooler is better", which it's not, unless you are sailing past 240* F of course...

You can run a little cooler and a good bit hotter on modern oils, but something in the 200*F +/- 20 ball park is ideal, especially when flogging it.

If limp mode kicks in at 280* F, that's a bit high. Hopefully it kicks on at 260* -- thankfully I've never had it happen.

Davey · 10-10-2011, 04:42 PM

"Thank you for contacting Nissan North America, Inc. and allowing us the opportunity to be of assistance.

An oil cooler is not necessary for normal and lawful operation of the vehicle on city streets and highways. The addition of an oil cooler would have unnecessarily raised the price of the car and potentially moved it out of the reach of some customers.

Value has been a core principle of the Z car since the original 240Z, and we choose to uphold this core principle by not adding features at additional cost that are unnecessary for normal vehicle operation.

For those individuals who choose to drive their vehicle on a race track under extreme conditions, the oil cooler is available as an aftersales accessory item.

File # <removed> has been created to document your concern. If you have any further questions or comments, please feel free to call 1-800-647-7261 Nissan Consumer Affairs and reference your file number.

Sincerely,

Nissan North America, Inc."

It's not necessary for normal and lawful street driving and they left it off to provide better value... But they're putting it on the 2012.

Sounds to me like a boiler-plate response to the ongoing question that hasn't been updated to have a little song-and-dance about the 2012.

Exodus5 · 10-12-2011, 07:52 AM

I also got a reply from Nissan after asking them why the car suddenly needed an oil cooler and if I could add one to my car without voiding the warranty...I got a COMPLETELY different response.

"Thank you for taking the time to contact Nissan North America, Inc. and share your valuable insight with us.

Nissan does not recommend any modifications on your vehicle from the original manufacturing equipment as this may affect the terms and conditions of your warranty.
Our Nissan Consumer Affairs department relies on our Nissan dealers to provide technical support for our products. We advise you to call a dealer service department and request for advice on the modification in question.
In regards to your inquiry about why older models was not equipt with an oil cooler, we apologize that the information you are seeking is not available. Unfortunately at this time Nissan is not in the position to move forward with your request. We apologize a more favorable response could not be given"

Quote:

Originally Posted by Davey

"Thank you for contacting Nissan North America, Inc. and allowing us the opportunity to be of assistance.

An oil cooler is not necessary for normal and lawful operation of the vehicle on city streets and highways. The addition of an oil cooler would have unnecessarily raised the price of the car and potentially moved it out of the reach of some customers.

Value has been a core principle of the Z car since the original 240Z, and we choose to uphold this core principle by not adding features at additional cost that are unnecessary for normal vehicle operation.

For those individuals who choose to drive their vehicle on a race track under extreme conditions, the oil cooler is available as an aftersales accessory item.

File # <removed> has been created to document your concern. If you have any further questions or comments, please feel free to call 1-800-647-7261 Nissan Consumer Affairs and reference your file number.

Sincerely,

Nissan North America, Inc."

It's not necessary for normal and lawful street driving and they left it off to provide better value... But they're putting it on the 2012.

Sounds to me like a boiler-plate response to the ongoing question that hasn't been updated to have a little song-and-dance about the 2012.

Bonzo · 10-12-2011, 08:43 AM

Do we really need yet another fracking oil cooler thread? I read C&D's Best Handling Car Under $40,000 article last week and was like, what's wrong with these yahoo's at C&D. Do they not know about the $500 OEM cooler? Doesn't everyone by now know that if you're among the 10% who track this car it's required, but it's not for 90% of the rest of the population? GEEZ.

I'd say Nissan originally thought people would be smart enough to read and figure this stuff out. But since this issue just won't go away because people are being so ignorant about it, they were like, F-it, just add the fracking thing and let's be done with it.

Now if Nissan would have just fixed the major brake fade and gave it a telescoping steering wheel for 2012, C&D would move it from 4th place to first place. Why aren't people on here bitching so much about the brake fade if it's such an issue?

Mike · 10-12-2011, 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bonzo

Why aren't people on here bitching so much about the brake fade if it's such an issue?

Because if you track, you know you have to fix these problems, and if you don't have an oil cooler, you probably aren't going to get enough laps in to get to the point where you will have brake issues.

Isamu · 10-10-2011, 05:55 PM

just get an AM oil cooler and just relax.. lol

RunNgun · 10-10-2011, 11:05 PM

What kind of abuse do you need an oil cooler for? Running the track for 2+ hours in the desert? If you live in a moderate climate could you probably get away without one even under long hours of racing?

FL 4Motion · 10-11-2011, 01:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunNgun

What kind of abuse do you need an oil cooler for? Running the track for 2+ hours in the desert? If you live in a moderate climate could you probably get away without one even under long hours of racing?

no you couldn't. for ANY HPDE event, IMO, an oil cooler, (along with brake lines/fluids/pads), is absolutely necessary.

Isamu · 10-11-2011, 02:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fl 4motion

no you couldn't. For any hpde event, imo, an oil cooler, (along with brake lines/fluids/pads), is absolutely necessary.

qft

Red__Zed · 10-11-2011, 05:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunNgun

What kind of abuse do you need an oil cooler for? Running the track for 2+ hours in the desert? If you live in a moderate climate could you probably get away without one even under long hours of racing?

No. More like 3-5 minutes on a track in a moderate climate.

KaienZ34 · 10-11-2011, 07:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunNgun

What kind of abuse do you need an oil cooler for? Running the track for 2+ hours in the desert? If you live in a moderate climate could you probably get away without one even under long hours of racing?

Not a chance, just stay off the track.

Ron · 10-12-2011, 08:55 AM

Bc of the same reason you pointed.. 90% of the people who own a Z does not experience brake fade. If you are tracking then besides an oil cooler, you need pads, fluids and lines. I agree on the telescopic steering wheel though.

Bonzo · 10-12-2011, 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron

Bc of the same reason you pointed.. 90% of the people who own a Z does not experience brake fade. If you are tracking then besides an oil cooler, you need pads, fluids and lines. I agree on the telescopic steering wheel though.

C&D had the Nismo pads on and still had issues. So do those pads suck too? Or as you are saying, it's just a matter of better lines and better fluid? I'm no brake expert so someone fill me in, please. But if it's just a matter of better lines (what, bigger diameter???) and a different fluid (different how??), that seems like an incredibly easy change for Nissan to just make standard. Adding an oil cooler adds material and labor costs to production. Changing the brake lines and fluids only adds material cost, not labor.

Adding a telescope wheel is probably a big engineering change which would effect many other components, so that's another matter.

Davey · 10-12-2011, 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bonzo

C&D had the Nismo pads on and still had issues. So do those pads suck too? Or as you are saying, it's just a matter of better lines and better fluid? I'm no brake expert so someone fill me in, please. But if it's just a matter of better lines (what, bigger diameter???) and a different fluid (different how??), that seems like an incredibly easy change for Nissan to just make standard. Adding an oil cooler adds material and labor costs to production. Changing the brake lines and fluids only adds material cost, not labor.

Adding a telescope wheel is probably a big engineering change which would effect many other components, so that's another matter.

Do we really need another fracking brake pad/fluid thread?

At least the oil cooler has something to do with 2012 changes.

10-09-2011, 11:52 PM	#1 (permalink)
wilsonp A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,134 Drives: 2009 Touring Sp Nav Rep Power: 16	Why don't plate coolers have a thermostat? __________________ 2014 Cayman S PDK Sport Chrono White/Black Was 2009 370Z Touring Sport+Nav 7AT Metallic Black/Persimmon Was 1991 NSX Auto Black/Black

10-10-2011, 04:12 AM	#2 (permalink)
Jordo! A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: nirvana Posts: 6,394 Drives: 2023 NATM Rep Power: 418	I think some people just don't opt for it -- adds a good bit to the cost. Either that or the ones they are getting are too cold and not keeping it around the ideal temp when winter rolls around. Allegedly the block off plate works well enough to help the oil warm up in the winter time... still I'm skeptical. It's just better to have a decent thermostat on it. Also, I'd say only about half of the people who buy the oil cooler have a clear idea what the optimal range of oil temps is -- 180F - 220F, as noted by Import Convert, is spot on. I think a lot of folks just assume "cooler is better", which it's not, unless you are sailing past 240* F of course... You can run a little cooler and a good bit hotter on modern oils, but something in the 200F +/- 20 ball park is ideal, especially when flogging it. If limp mode kicks in at 280 F, that's a bit high. Hopefully it kicks on at 260* -- thankfully I've never had it happen. __________________ Enjoy it. Destroy it.

10-12-2011, 08:43 AM	#5 (permalink)
Bonzo Track Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Ohio Posts: 690 Drives: Finally, a 370Z!!! Rep Power: 3371	Omg Do we really need yet another fracking oil cooler thread? I read C&D's Best Handling Car Under $40,000 article last week and was like, what's wrong with these yahoo's at C&D. Do they not know about the $500 OEM cooler? Doesn't everyone by now know that if you're among the 10% who track this car it's required, but it's not for 90% of the rest of the population? GEEZ. I'd say Nissan originally thought people would be smart enough to read and figure this stuff out. But since this issue just won't go away because people are being so ignorant about it, they were like, F-it, just add the fracking thing and let's be done with it. Now if Nissan would have just fixed the major brake fade and gave it a telescoping steering wheel for 2012, C&D would move it from 4th place to first place. Why aren't people on here bitching so much about the brake fade if it's such an issue? __________________ Finally Able To Order 2012 Model 8/24/2011 Delivered Tuesday November 15, 9:57 am!!! 2012, Auto, White, Sport, Kick Plates

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10-10-2011, 04:42 PM	#3 (permalink)
Davey A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Indiana Posts: 3,766 Drives: '15 NISMO 6MT Rep Power: 117171	"Thank you for contacting Nissan North America, Inc. and allowing us the opportunity to be of assistance. An oil cooler is not necessary for normal and lawful operation of the vehicle on city streets and highways. The addition of an oil cooler would have unnecessarily raised the price of the car and potentially moved it out of the reach of some customers. Value has been a core principle of the Z car since the original 240Z, and we choose to uphold this core principle by not adding features at additional cost that are unnecessary for normal vehicle operation. For those individuals who choose to drive their vehicle on a race track under extreme conditions, the oil cooler is available as an aftersales accessory item. File # <removed> has been created to document your concern. If you have any further questions or comments, please feel free to call 1-800-647-7261 Nissan Consumer Affairs and reference your file number. Sincerely, Nissan North America, Inc." It's not necessary for normal and lawful street driving and they left it off to provide better value... But they're putting it on the 2012. Sounds to me like a boiler-plate response to the ongoing question that hasn't been updated to have a little song-and-dance about the 2012.

10-10-2011, 11:05 PM	#8 (permalink)
RunNgun Base Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: USA Posts: 80 Drives: 2011 370z black AT Rep Power: 13	What kind of abuse do you need an oil cooler for? Running the track for 2+ hours in the desert? If you live in a moderate climate could you probably get away without one even under long hours of racing?

10-12-2011, 08:55 AM	#13 (permalink)
Ron A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 3,009 Drives: TT '11 PW Nismo #113 Rep Power: 21	Bc of the same reason you pointed.. 90% of the people who own a Z does not experience brake fade. If you are tracking then besides an oil cooler, you need pads, fluids and lines. I agree on the telescopic steering wheel though.